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Edited by Grimmra:
1/30/2019 5:43:07 AM
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Well, Bungie, you did it. You killed Warlocks.
Final Edit: It seems I wasn't clear enough. Nova Warp needed a nerf. I think it went too far as a nerf, however. Again, I'm a Stormcaller main. Warlocks have a useless class ability in PvP, they have poor maneuverability, and in this recent update the only thing that got a substantial buff was a shutdown super, and even then it's still not great, it's only more viable. This is not a conversation about Nova Warp. This is a discussion about Warlocks as a whole.
I know Titan and Hunter mains are going to down vote me into oblivion but this needs to be said.
The least used class in crucible just got the heaviest nerf I've seen in my life (60% charge cost, PLUS 6.8 seconds shaved off? Are you serious?) AND got the laziest buffs out of everything listed. Three seconds for Dawnblade is actually nothing. You might as well have said you don't want to tweak it. And an extra target for Stormcaller is absurd because nobody stands that close together in such a large group, it doesn't make sense.
The other two classes got substantial buffs, and are in really good spots. Factor in exotics and they're sitting pretty at the top. All three roaming supers for Warlocks are now trash in comparison.
The nerfs to NW were taken WAY too far. You'll be hard pressed to get more than two kills with it now. Top tree Dawnblade needs a full rework (Icarus Dash is useless. It needs to dodge further. Fighting in the air with Wings of SD is just putting a target on your face). Stormcaller needs more range, or armor, or damage. Something.
If you need any proof, look at the numbers. Warlocks are the least used class in crucible by a long shot. You need to do something about it, Bungie.
Edit: This post is focused directly on roaming supers. I'm aware Nova Bomb was buffed and tuned. Please stop bringing it up.
Edit 2: I'm for Nova Warp getting nerfed. I'm not happy with how far it went. I'm unhappy with how little the other subclasses got. Stop trolling about NW.
Edit 3: Stormcaller main here. Seriously, cut it out with the comments about crutching Nova Warp. You're not offering anything other than toxicity. Yes, I have used Nova Warp. But my primary class has been Stormcaller since TTK.
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1 ReplyThey nerfed it for a reason. If you are mad at that then you must have relied on it.
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I don't have enough experience in Crucible to have an educated opinion, but I will say that as a fellow stormcaller (I used Dawnblade in crucible because screw using chaos reach, my main), it was pretty frustrating watching how titans and especially hunters play. I get that some of these moves have less utility in PvE, so it arguably balances out, but...yeah, feels kinda lame.
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1 ReplyIt's called balance. If you're a stormcaller main then don't worry about it. The meta will change in due time. Heck, maybe one day Nova Warp will be overpowered again. Also Nova warp was just about the most powerful super in destiny's history, it deserved a large Nerf.
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I also tried to actually use nova warp. What a joke. You can actually see enemies in the open, just next to you and it doesnt kill them. I had at least 3 occurences where I popped NW, had multiple targets in view, relatively close, and came out with no kills. Just... to sum up. it is NOT SUPER. The word "super" means certain things. And this so-called ability is absolutely NOT super.
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Don't you talk ugly about my Icarus dash, mister. That ability saves my behind more times than not...but it would be nice to have an extra meter of dodge...
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2 RepliesEdited by J0hlss0n: 1/31/2019 4:30:10 PMNever really had a huge problem with the Nova Warp... really, I didnt. Sure it got annoying getting killed sitting on a ledge above a Warp, around corners or in extreeme ranges but I dont think it needed this massive nerf. I got way more problems with other supers/classes in the game. And Im a Titan and only Titan btw, and I'm on your side, have a Like. =)
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I’m a Hunter main and I wholeheartedly agree. I see it like this: >Things that have an overpowering advantage should be toned back, but not to the point that it pushes a player away from wanting to continue using it. >After “balancing”, things elsewhere should be brought up so that they are at least up to snuff with others. This includes both perk trees and weapon stats.
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5 RepliesHey, don't think this thread is going to fade away bungie. Just so you know expect to see it all the time when searching by most recent post's. If this is our only chance for you to hear us warlocks then I'll do all I can to keep it visible.
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9 RepliesI think it's time for us warlocks to find a different game to play for I fear the warlock will never be restored to its glory days in d1. D2 warlocks have been utter trash until forsaken and now bungie has put us back in that hole. It's going to be another 6 months before we get anything tuned. It's time.
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8 RepliesNova Warp massively overnerfed and Blade Barrage still king. -blam!-ing whiny ass hunters.
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7 RepliesNice to see our message is actually being heard! Anyway, some buffs I would love to see: NOVAWARP • Novawarp super duration only reduced by 3 seconds. • Charge cost reduced to 30% only (Not 60% per charge) • Damage done in PvE increased by 50% • Damage done in PvP should be reverted to pre patch. Reason for this is simple: when a NW goes up against an Arcstrider for example, currently you dont have enough time to charge another blast. Resulting in an unfair death. • Movement speed reverted to pre patch. NOVABOMB • Vortex singularity increased damage by 80%. The vortex after shock should be extreamly deadly. Additionaly, the idea of the Vortex pulling nearby enemies would be a nice touch! • Both Novabombs base AOE increased by 2/3 meteres. • Devour now grants 10% super energy on successive kills DAWNBLADE •Super blade increased speed by 30% •Super blade increased radius by 50% •Super blade damage increased by 35%(PvP) This is to avoid enemies being hit by a blade and surviving •Dawnblade super mobility should not only be weighted on the Burst Glide. Strafe and Balanced Glide should trigger the same boost as Burst Glide during super. • Icarus dash should make all weapons fired in mid air perfectly accurate. •Icarus dash distance covered increased by 1/2 meteres • Icarus dash cooldown reduced to 3 seconds WELL OF RADIANCE •Increased armour by 150% in PvP. STORMCALLER •Damage increased by 85% •Damage of stormcaller should ramp up, fairly quickly of that matter. For example in PvP, it should deal 100 damage in the first second and increase to 150 damage in the 2-3 second. This should apply to PvE as well. • Movement speed buff by 85%. •Increase base duration of Stormcaller by 5 seconds. • Reduced cost of Ionic Blink by 85% (Same as Striker) •Arc Souls damage should scale based on your gear/light level. CHAOS REACH • Reduced blurr effect during super making it easier to kill targets •Increase damage reduction during super by 10-15% • Base duration of super increased by 2-3 seconds OVERALL •Rift speed animation increased •Rift speed healing effect increased by 20-30% •Different effects for the rift based on class. For example, Void Rift suppresses nearby enemies 7-8 metres near the circumfrance of the rift. • All Warlock Classes should have access to Blink not just Voidwalker. Replace Balanced Glide on the other two classes with Blink. •Recovery as a stat should be more rewarding. After the buff to low-end recovery, you essentialy through out high-tier recovery builds. Increased healing at higher tier recoveries
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3 RepliesThink they want everyone to play a hunter.
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11 RepliesEdited by EggenOG: 1/30/2019 1:17:35 AMPack it up fellow Warlock mains, shows over.
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I get this is about PvP, but warlocks currently dominate PvE to the point where its basically warlock or nothing. Yesterday I was looking for phase 2 insurrection prime and saw four posts for phase 2 and all of them would only take warlocks. Half of the fresh raid posts would likewise only take warlocks because exceeding two titans is pointless. An argument could be made for two hunters (nighthawk and tether). The difference between PvE dominance and PvP dominance is two fold. 1.) You never see PvP posts asking for (insert most dominant class) only. You see them ask for a good KD and/or high glory. Because... 2.) Skill can basically carry you 99% of the way through PvP. Look at cammy and his lvl 20 to not forgotten series. Or frostbolt who can get 30+ killstreaks with mathematically (ttk numbers) inferior weapons. Skill can only carry you so far in PvE. You cant skill your way to the dps boost well of radiance provides. You cant skill your way to the ability to ignore the vandal snipers during dps that rift/well of radiance provides. I dont care how damned skilled you are top tree hammers will be the better option over say middle tree striker. Look at every speed run pretty much ever in d2. With the exception of spire of stars its comprised of no less then three warlocks.
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Lmfao "Warlocks killed because their overpowered class is no longer overpowered."
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5 RepliesNova warp needed to stay the same but shorter duration
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12 RepliesNova Warp tears are delicious. Anyway Dawnblade is a top tier subclass and Super so it's time to stop relying on "auto aim" or "lul big aoe no aim" and git gud.
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Edited by Kernel.Fender: 1/31/2019 7:59:29 PMI agree not only warlocks , but yet Again Titans got stiffed . Then surprise surprise, the tutorial characters get super buff to the max OP levels of ridiculousness. All Hunters smooch man meat . wht y bother with other classes if bungie dont like anything but whinny hunters. I wouldnt play hunter if they were the only ones. The crucible is awful at the best of times ,poor hit reg and nasty lag, non exsistant syncro. i mean whats the point , if it onlt benifits players from another galaxy? (get dedicated servers Bungo you noobs.) only go in if i had to; but now its worse than ever with everyone is a hunter, what a feckin shit show again! Hunters suck plain and simple. why not just make a special game, just for them dweebs , the the rest of us can enjoy it. Ah well anthem out soon, skull and bones. bye bye destiny 2 . Ps : i appollogise OP, i woke in a very dark mood today.
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It’s nice that nova bomb got buffed but it’s still super slow, can be avoided and you can literally shot it out of the air Warlocks for PvP is terrible for them they just didn’t get as good of buffs than other classes got
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1 ReplyNoooo Try cataclysmic nova bomber, boy.
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anyone crutching nova warp just go use bottum tree slam now its broken as fark. warlock mains stay here and and tweek our other classes. blink melles axions amd supers
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Wow. So I occasionally login in to mess about on patrol to have fun with the abilities. They have even ruined that. Thanks Bungie.
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I don't know what they are thinking but it's quite possible that Warlocks in PVP is not their priority. I just wised up and stopped using Warlock. Such a shame if you've played Warlock mostly. It feels like leaving a good ol' trusty pick up truck after getting my Ferrari because every weapon I got which had anything PVE related, I got with my Warlock. But I do so much better in PVP (not elite, but at least I don't play as bad) with my Titan so I don't bother trying Warlocks anymore. Actively looking for One Eyed Mask currently.
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1 ReplyThe least used class in crucible? LOL everytime I go into the crucible there are atleast 3+ per game nova warping the F**K outta me lol they are actually over powered and can literally stop any class supers :P I am glad they nerfed them, they were out of control in Iron Banana... This is why I hate pvp the way Bungie is doing it. All characters at the same time should get a nerf and make it more about gun skill instead of spamming supers, grenades and heavy! That is what mayhem is for :P So tell me again why we need Kinetic weapons in pvp? No 1 is ever happy when their character gets nerfed because that means they have to learn something else to try and get the advantage :D
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Good. Warlocks are the anti-vaxxers of the Destiny franchise
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This is what I said is gonna happen when overused super gets nerfed. People who need the crutches to win will start crying in the front lines. I never used nova warp myself and I’m a warlock main, I use dawnblade and with recent changes I’m more than happy with how I’m doing right now. I did mayhem last night and I always went absolute ham on the enemy teams and some insane kds on those games. I love it. More than anything I die to nova bomb so it is very much viable if you know what you’re doing. Imo, warlock supers ain’t half as bad as Titan ones as I absolutely cannot wreck on that class as I can on my warlock.
