And this surprises you why???????/

Here we go again. You're patently incorrect, and the most recent patch notes prove that without a shadow of a doubt. A few things got less powerful, and quite a lot more got slightly to significantly more powerful (looking at you, Ace of Spades, with your chaining Memento bullets). By far, the number of buffs is dwarfing the number of nerfs, and it's easily seen. To claim otherwise while having a bullet pointed list to the contrary is just an attempt at jebaitery, at absolute best, bitterness at worst. I'm seeing a lot of reference to trench barrel in the comments, specifically. This change is not, technically, a nerf. If the Ikelos shotgun had remained a heavy weapon, received no additional ammo / damage / bonuses to offset the change, etc., then we have ourselves a genuine nerf (defined as a net loss of power, function, or usability with no positive trade-off). This is a refactoring and rebalancing, and it's completely needed, in my opinion. As a heavy weapon with limited ammo availability, full mag damage buffs from trench barrel made sense: it was insanely powerful, but it made sense. Change it to a special weapon, for which ammo is stupidly common, and can be made more common with armor perks, and it's patently too powerful to allow anything else to be a reasonable choice, especially given that you can still carry Whisper or Sleeper with it. And as mentioned before, it's now a general shotgun perk, so you can get a god rolled weapon with trench barrel...that's fantastic. so what if you have to toss in another melee once in a while, it's an outstanding damage source. I mean, too bad that the one gun everyone used for boss DPS is no longer the end all be all of choices, but there should be more than one really good choice for the special slot. Having it only be Ikelos is moronic. I'm seeing a lot of 'what I liked and depended on is no longer the best thing out there, Bungie ruined the game'. Never mind that the game and weapons and abilities as a whole are trending in the positive, let's throw temper tantrums because now we have to make a choice, rather than default to the one obviously massively out of the norm thing that I like. Geez, and people say the PvP crowd is bad about clinging to metas...

What gotten nerfed? Most of the things that supposedly have gotten nerfed in players eyes were actually bug fixes lol. The only thing that has ever really gotten nerfed is sleeper simulant and thats about it, everything else was bug fixes.

I’m disappointed there was no “Pepperidge Farm remembers.”

simply put. It's one thing to nerf something. It's a completely nother to adjust it. And yet a completely nother to fix something that isn't working properly. I haven't paid as much attention to everything transpiring in D2 but what have I seen pails in comparison to D1. Though I will say there are definitely some weapons/class of weapons that need +DMG output. And a variety of changes with others such as range adjustments, etc. The problem is that until Bungie balances weapons for PVE and PVP independently we're going to have issues on both sides of the field.

Member how in the last few patches they basically said we don't want to Nerf this.... But here's all the ways that we did it? Point is take everything with a grain of salt, and not everything is as good as it seems with this company.

I don't think you entirely understand how balancing games works. Nerfing things is critical to keeping a game healthy, otherwise you have to deal with terrible powercreep.

In all objective fairness, I understand the Trench Barrel nerf - it made the EP Shotty equal to, in some instances better than, top tier Exotic Heavies. That is the start of Power Creep. The other nerfs I'm seeing mentioned in here? As long as they are PvP only (which is possible) then I'm fine with that. Let PvPers nerf their way towards a pillow fight. So long as PvE has us decently powerful, which we are, I'm good.

Nerfs are necessary sometimes, deal with it and cry less. Unless you want insane power creep, learn to adapt to the nerfs.

Maybe because some items or abilities are actually unfair. Saying no nerfs is silly honestly. Good game balance tunes items up AND down.

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yes, and? Ikelos was simpy too strong .... why would they not nerf it? Use your brain dude xD

Poor developing, programming, testing, and releasing schedules of content. Such is the way with bungie developers for this game. The cycle of nerfing is intrinsic to Destiny. Its so pathetically sad. And then you have even more pathetic posts below saying that nerfs need to happen. Lol. The blind simple headed sheep just dont get it!

They can't help it. It's who they are. I was saying this before Forsaken launched. I knew they would fall back to their old ways. Just like when they released Destiny 2 with a boatload of useless shit gear, that they thought was wonderful. This is who Bungie is. They think a loot based game should have weaker gear to support their dream of a dull generic PvP game that's fit for eSports. Nutty as a fruit cake.

Thanks PVP