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Edited by Spawn:
9/18/2018 4:33:36 PM
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Upvote to leave sleeper alone
As topic says....
I die from it as much as I kill with it.
Just deal with it and join in. It’s super fun
Have people thought of tracking rockets? They are fire and forget in the right hands.
As a matter of interest, is it solo players who want the nerf more so than team players
If it is to get a nerf or “changes” guardians will just find another weapon to use, and that’s when the cycle will start, and then where will it end.
#leavesleeperalone
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This is how it all started back in D1...
Don’t let it happen again
Edit 2:
Great comments guys for and against, remember it’s the best gun for dps from range, just so happens it’s good for the pvp aspect as well.
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Let’s hope bungie get this right, I mean nerf it for pvp but don’t take away one of the best heavy weapons in the game in pve.
Edit 4:
So bungie tweeted about the sandbox team looking in to POSSIBLE changes.
Had some suggestions from you guys.
Change the heavy ammo economy for gambit, maybe one heavy drop per round.
Only allow heavy to drop when the primeval spawns in.
Have heavy ammo taken away when you invade.
Over 500 upvotes wow guys this is great.
Great discussion, people do have some good points for the pros and cons of the sleeper
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Edited by TitanGear: 9/18/2018 3:36:31 PMThey have to cater to the PVP crybabies. It's Bungie Law. If there was NO PVP aspect to Gambit, it wouldn't be an issue that I can guarantee.
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Whatever the nerf is they better only make it for the gambit game mode. Leave it how it is everywhere else
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2 Repliesif people just weren’t bad it wouldn’t be a problem. does no one realize it takes time to charge so it’s close range combat is awful? simply listen for this clicks, locate target, peak in and out and let him wast his heavy while you hit him with occasional shots. If people didn’t suck it wouldn’t be a problem, no one knows how to adjust in this game and it’s annoying. The people that suck (majority) cry because they can’t use basic knowledge to outplay other people using a good gun.
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To be honest 2-3 months later more players got that heavy exotic from the raid thousend voices and everybody will wanna nerf that. Now its sleeper soon it will be thousend voices. After that probably a new linear fusion called Savanthun's eye. Dont nerf fight fire with fire and git gud my son
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2 RepliesMy only concern is 1hit to the body is dumb and no one can deny that. Keep precision damage the same, lower non precision hits
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Edited by Wicked: 9/18/2018 3:22:29 PMSolution: Guardians invading have 3 main perks: overshield, wall hacks, can see motes. Remove one of these. Leave Sleeper alone.
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-Restrict invaders from using Heavy weapons and Energy weapons...Invaders already have a double shield AND can see through walls...Kinetic weapons and Supers are enough. INVADING IS SUPPOSED TO BE RISKY
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What makes SS a problem has nothing to do with the gun, it’s that when you invade you can see exactly where people are and they can’t see you so you have time to charge up a shot from crazy range and aim for the body..1HKO...plus invaders get a shield...IMO there needs to be a way to know where the invader comes from, and or HIDE, when the invader invades. Most SS users wait in the corner for you to pop up and when you do blam!
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Getting hit by sleeper while invading or being invaded is not fun. The worst feeling is when your shooting at somebody and they pull the sleeper out no matter if it's a headshot or not and kill you. I've been killed multiple times because your time to kill is slower than the charge of the sleeper and it seems like there's not enough flinch to make them miss when your shooting. You can avoid it if you time it right but while your engaging them it's pretty hard especially if your in a position with no cover
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I think they should just make snipers and liner fusion rifles be more susceptible to being staggered while aiming down so in a gun fight it might be less viable but for a quick cross the map kill it they will still preform well
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Maybe you crutch scrubs should get good.
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bungie said they would change sleeper without changing how much damage it deals, how they will do that, even they dont know yet
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The only reasonable nerf I would except is how much ammo it gets on pickup. Anything else would ruin the weapon imo
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Still not as powerful as an Edge Transit anyways. Just leave it alone.
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nah drop sleeper. Gambit may as well be called Sleeper mode
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I don't think the gun itself should be nerfed but I think something needs to change either with the heavy ammo economy when an Invader comes over or being able to have a tag Over The Invader so the team has the same opportunity to find them or something else. Something does need to change in that game mode and I hope Bungie finds the right solution
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1 ReplyEdited by W33DEDPLAGUE: 9/18/2018 3:00:59 PMThey aren't going to ruin the gun...they have learned their lesson on nerfing and Josh even tweeted that they are trying to find a creative way to make a change without nerfing, because they don't want to do that...it's part of the reason D2 launch went so poorly and since the fixes have been comimg, they have said many times they want stuff to feel powerful and don't want to need anything any more, sleeper will be fine
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2 RepliesLets all please remember that these nerfs don't exist in a vacuum, if they nerf it into the ground it will loose all PVE utility. I would rather see it have an outright ban in the mode, or an ammo restriction in Gambit rather than adjusting it's damage output to the point where it's no better than a normal linear fusion. We lost many good guns and entire archetypes over D1's lifespan, lets not repeat those same mistakes if we can help it.
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Remove heavy upon entering enemy teams portal but have a heavy spawn only the invader can grab, yet make it a difficult area to get it If that make sense
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Im a solo player and it’s annoying when I die to sleeper. But that’s the whole point. Sleeper is a power weapon. It’s supposed to be powerful. What’s next, complaints about rocket launchers?
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I'm against nerfs of any kind in this game. Bungie has proven time and again, that they have no idea how handle adjusting weapon power. Nerfing gear into being useless is what they do. That's unacceptable to me in a loot based game. I can't remember a single nerf that made this game better. I don't support any of your cries for nerfs, snowflakes.
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Lower body shot damage
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We're listening. -Bungie
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Leave it alone and DO NOT change the heavy ammo economy for gambit.
