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Edited by EzE_408:
8/8/2017 6:10:50 AM
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DOS Twice on a Single Trials Card Last Night - How to Spot them
What will make me cancel my console pre-order.....
The rampant network manipulation that will likely extend into D2. My clanmates and I were DOSed by two different teams last night on the SAME card. It's rampant because Bungie has done nothing for months. And if you think that D1 is just going to end it, they can do it in D2 as well.
[b]How to spot them:[/b]
It's pretty easy to spot them, which is the sad part. All you have to do is go to guardian.gg, enter the gamertag of the player you suspect of cheating/DOSing, and look at how many times the team has won via the other team deserting. They are likely to have low grimoire scores (to cycle accounts used for cheating), run together in the same groups, and have poor K/D's relative to ELO.
The most important point here is the deserting. Disconnects can happen, but to have your opponent disconnect resulting in a win for their team over a long period of time is pretty blatant. You can check their game logs with repeated desertion which should looks something like this http://imgur.com/a/4ybBm.
I have only named myself, per bungie.net policy on naming and shaming. Again, a simple disconnect would not occur on several consecutive matches with 90 - 100% occuring on a single team (the team opposite of the DOSer).
[b]Explanation of Picture/Attachment:[/b]
This is what a DOS group looks like (see attachment) without name and shaming, per policy. This image was taken from our card last night, but the image is of their teams trials progress. One easy way to spot them is if they have a Score of 1 in the left hand column and a Victory in the right hand column. That means they essentially won in the first round without even making it to 5 wins (due to the other team being booted). You can also look at the in game number of deserters. This team won nearly every match because the other team "deserted".
There is a crew of 3, presently playing, that has been at it for months. Two of which, if you searched their names, would have endless posts about them both on Bungie.net, Reddit, and even GameFAQs.
***Edit - Per Durandal below, there is hope that the new system, in D2, may prevent it from occurring, but that's presently conjecture.
***Edit 2 - Ddos edited to Dos although the entire network was down...
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1 ReplySad thing is there will prob be way more cheating and what not on pc than on console
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9 Repliesthe issue is that you are on Verizon. you need to switch to Sprint. then this won't happen anymore.
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8 RepliesI find it quite a shame that the Ninjas on the forums get more stuff done by blocking out posts via name & shame policies more than Bungie as a whole weeding out people who actually show prior experience indicating they used some methods of cheating. It honestly makes me wish we had a renegade team taking the matter into their own hands in order to stop such rampant negligence.
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1 ReplyHow to stop it from ever happening in the first place: Don't play Trials..
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Microsoft DOS is confusing man. Anyone can get DOS'd if you're not careful.
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They don't care. You already paid them.
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1 ReplyI watched lucky and buttwipe get ddosed live...
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16 RepliesEdited by Durandal: 8/7/2017 10:27:10 PMDon't rely on bungie. If you know it's a dos attack, call your ISP first, report the time, report what was happening, they can and will track down the offending connections and proceed to take very real and very harsh action against the perpetrator. It is very helpful if you have all logging enabled on your gateway router, so you can help them out with some info as well. Then, call your respective game service, PSN or XBL, and lodge co paints against the players. PSN is more helpful here, XBL will eventually tell you to call your ISP or the police and wash their hands of it, but PSN has actually gone and bricked consoles of cheaters within a week of notification. Lastly, if you can identify who actually is doing it, and can trace back to where they live, feel free to call their local police department and go through the process of reporting it, you may have to go to county sheriffs or state police to find someone who knows what you are talking about and wanting to report. They should take your report and info and work with your ISP to act on it. This step is actually unnecessary if your ISP was given all this info as they will go directly to the appropriate authorities as it was their equipment attacked and used to deliver the attack, so they will want to be quick about resolving the issue. When done, the best case scenario for the cheater is they lose internet service and get a bricked console; worst case is some guys in suits come and pay a visit and explain why they can no longer use the Internet or any device that can connect to the Internet for a few years while being monitored. And yes, this works. Last November we had a gaming event on hospital property using hospital connections and some people played destiny, and played trials. Some poor saps decided to try and dos attack them, not realizing that we were on a heavily protected and monitored network. We actually had the service provider call us to find out what was happening and when we told them they immediately took action. Within an hour those guys were off of PSN, off of twitch, every feed they had went dead because their service was shut down pending further investigation for attacking a hospital network.
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Mmm I highly doubted you were DOS or DDOS. Check you firewall logs for proof but do some research and learn how to secure your network to prevent this stuff from happening
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3 RepliesHey Ninjas Getting tired of these Spam Adds. https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/229832795/0/0
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12 RepliesToo bad bungie rewards cheats and laggers, does nothing to punish them. Shame on bungie
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Shame on you bungo! shame! shame!
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1 ReplyNow THIS, my friends is how you do it. Take a good long look at how this works. Using the info here, if you look for it you can find out which match this was and see this shit for yourself and decide who's doing what. I applaud you sir, in the most sincere way.
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9 RepliesSooo glad they're having blizzard handle cheaters for pc. Makes it so much easier
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8 RepliesI'm betting it wasn't a ddos
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I only use the term DoS because it covers any type, a DDoS is a type of DoS. The IP stressors and booters that are used send the junk data from multiple remote IPs, so technically, it is a DDoS, it just isn't like the DDoS attacks that have gained public attention shutting down major websites. Those have been done through malware/trojans that infected many thousands of systems and lay dormant until an attacker sends a command for them to execute their code which is to send requests to a specified IP. Those DDoS attacks are much larger in scale and take weeks or months of planning and preparation. The "DDoS" attacks that are sent to boot players, is a simple subscription to a website that commands a botnet to attack the IP you specify. Very simple and easy to do, "one click DDoS for rent".
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10 RepliesGood post. I look for suspicious match history in the same way. I would suggest that in addition to your post that describes how to spot someone using DOS attacks, add to it how to report them: https://www.bungie.net/en/Help/Troubleshoot?oid=13967
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More cheating? Say it ain't so.
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4 RepliesEveryones seen ms5000watts 2 highlight videos from 34 and 35 days ago right?
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6 RepliesWhere's the Ninjas? https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/229832795/0/0
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The idiocy of you playing Trials last night and actually caring about the outcome is palpable.
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