[quote]In an early morning tweet Saturday, President Donald Trump echoed a post on a fringe website claiming that the national debt has decreased by $12 billion since Trump took office.
"The media has not reported that the National Debt in my first month went down by $12 billion vs a $200 billion increase in Obama first mo.," Trump posted on Twitter Feb. 25, 2017.
The tweet mirrors an article posted on the Gateway Pundit website a few days earlier. It was repeated by conservative pundit Herman Cain on Fox News shortly before Trump’s tweet.
"On January 20th, the day of the Trump Inauguration, the US Debt stood at $19,947 billion," the Gateway Pundit website reads. "On February 21st, a month later, the US Debt load stood at $19,935 billion. Trump cut the US Debt burden by $12 billionand 0.1% in his first month in office!"
The numbers check out. And in fact, the total public debt has dropped another $22 billion since the Gateway Pundit article published, according to data from the U.S. Department of Treasury.
But, experts say, people shouldn’t read much into the numbers. Nor should Trump be popping champagne.
[b]"Considering that Trump hasn’t enacted any fiscal legislation, it’s a bit of a stretch for him to take credit for any changes in debt levels," Dan Mitchell, a libertarian economist and senior fellow at the Cato Institute, told us.[/b]
"Debt levels go up and down in the short run based on independent factors such as quarterly tax payments and predetermined expenditure patterns," he said.
The White House did not respond to our query for this fact-check.
So, in isolation, the debt held by the public is down since Trump took office. But experts say it’s likely to shoot back up any day.
[b]"I wonder what he thinks he did to bring this about," said Harvard University government professor Jeffrey Frankel.
"This one-month number is trivial in the long-run trend. The national debt will rise this year, and in future years. It will rise at a sharply accelerated rate if Trump carries out even half of his campaign promises for specific tax cuts (and specific spending increases). Will he be willing to be judged by the debt numbers in the future?"[/b]
Dean Baker, an economist with the liberal Center for Economic and Policy Research, said the temporary dip in the debt is triggered by the timing of tax payments and government spending, "both matters that he has not affected one iota."
Added Neil Buchanan, a George Washington University law professor and author of The Debt Ceiling Disasters: "No one who knows anything about budgeting would take a 30-day change to have any meaning at all. There is no credit to take, because it's like noticing that rainfall numbers from one month to the next are not exactly the same or that attendance at baseball games is not a constant number."
Donald Marron, Director of Economic Policy Initiatives at the Urban Institute, speculated that the drop in debt may be because President Barack Obama’s administration left Trump with cash on hand to run the government. So the government's need to borrow hasn't been high recently.
On Jan. 20, the day Trump took office, the federal government had a cash operating balance of $382 billion, according to the Treasury Department.
By Feb. 22, the cash balance had dropped to $228 billion.
Our ruling
Trump tweeted, "The National Debt in my first month went down by $12 billion."
Trump would be wise to not read too much into this figure, which sounds more noteworthy than it actually is. The national debt fluctuates up and down depending on the day. While the debt is "down" after one month, experts say that trend will reverse and the debt will continue to rise.
This factoid is a gross misrepresentation of the state of the debt and the role the new president had in shaping the figure.
[u]We rate this claim Mostly False[/u].[/quote]
Hmm.
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*yawn*
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1 ReplyMad max the CNN of bungie.
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Someone needs to teach trump that correlation doesn't equal causation
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1 ReplyYou can't deny that it is going down.
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1 ReplyPost hoc [spoiler]ergo propter hoc[/spoiler]
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12 Replieslmao poltifact and libs like Max keep getting btfo by the troll-in-chief Its not "mostly false" or "mostly true", its 100% accurate that what he tweeted is what happened. You could argue politifact is interpreting that tweet as him taking credit but thats not really their job, is it? word for word, there is nothing false about his tweet. the only thing false is politifact's objectivity and ability to not come across as a shitlib "resource" to throw around like its an end-all-be-all of The Truth.
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Of course he can take credit. Obama got the blame for everything so now people are testing to play it different this time. Too bad that source didnt talk about the yemen failure though.
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17 trillion to go
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5 RepliesLol. "Mostly false." Shouldn't it be "partly true"? Considering his numbers were true, but the meaning behind them was different than what Trump thought? If Trump said, "The debt is down $12 billion due to my actions explicitly." Then I could understand. But I mean, all his tweet said was the media wasn't reporting on those numbers, which Politifact recognizes as the true numbers. So why "mostly false"?
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1 Reply[quote]"Considering that Trump hasn’t enacted any fiscal legislation, it’s a bit of a stretch for him to take credit for any changes in debt levels," Dan Mitchell, a libertarian economist and senior fellow at the Cato Institute, told us.[/quote] Whenever you're in doubt about an economic policy or idea, just enlist the help of the minarchist libertarians. Minarchist policy analyses are the absolute best. AnCaps can do better, but some of us would rather skip a few steps and try to convince an average American voter that they should drop every conception they've ever had about what a government is.
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Edited by Catty_Wampus22: 2/27/2017 8:13:24 AMWhat's funny is on my phone in the list of threads it has it as Trump lowers national debt by $12 Billion
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What was the point of this post?
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8 RepliesThe problem is he just saw the numbers and went "look! Look at that!" This was most likely done because he knew the uneducated wouldn't look into the reasoning behind the numbers. But, maybe I'm giving him too much credit and he was too unintelligent to look into the deeper meaning.
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1 ReplyEdited by Evskii: 2/27/2017 1:52:49 AMWhy did you post this? Seems rather pointless to me. It's not even a controversial issue. I think you're just trying to take any opportunity possible to complain much like the media does. It did drop unlike obamas first month. Even when something good happens you twist it to look bad. How can you actually be complaining about this? You may actually be worse than the media at this point.
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Politifact, the definition of alternative facts.
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Trump could clear the national debt for good and everyone would still hate him. Its just how it is and how it will always be.
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2 RepliesI could've lowered it more.
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8 RepliesIt is completely true. Obama exits with national debt at X Trump enters with national debt at X. Within a month of Trump's appearance in office, X goes down 12 billion. If you look at it mathematically, the claim is 100% true.
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2 RepliesObama's first month the national debt went up $200 billion. I'll take down $12 billion
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He wasn't wrong