This show was interesting, I was locked into listening the whole time. A few things: [i]-Thoughts on possible new/reworked sub-classes:[/i] Completely agree with redwing, I'm not interested in re grinding subs just because they changed a few nods. Those supers would have to be completely revamped for me to what to re invest time into leveling them. I'd be fine with new guardians, but I'd love to continue using my guardians. I don't mind a fresh start with weapons, gear, light level, ect. Completely agree redwing. [i]-What would you like raids to be like in D2?:[/i] I'm not sure what kind of player I am( hardcore, causal, or in between), but I liked WoTm. I like not feeling the need to play it for six months to get something to drop. I like it because I was free to do multiple thing, not being lock into a raid for 6+ hrs. I understand that hardcore players like stuff like that, but I just don't have the time. I was one of those people who didnt play VoG much (may have completed....10 time or less? idk). I'd like to see a raid where you don't have to wipe if half the fire team dies. I'd be cool to see one player save the day. I know a lot of you may disagree, but Crota and WoTm were my fav hands down fav raids. Id love to see a 2-6 player raid. [i]-Is reaching 400 too easy?:[/i] I don't think so.There is no way I would have been able to hit 400 if I hadn't played the raid and iron banner. Before the heroic Wotm came out and there faction packages gave you high level gear you could say that it was way to easy to level up, but right now no. Hitting 400 atm means nothing anyway. You can literally beat everything in the game before hitting 400. [i]-Dedicated servers:[/i] New engine? better have Dedicated Servers. If D2 is going to be on PC, you know it will have them. Cant wait for mods(not game braking mods) if possible.

Im only going to respond to the topics i actually have a strong opinion about, since im not a pve player Highly recommend reading the teamwork section, I put it first since I feel the strongest about that topic [spoiler][b]Teamwork[/b] [b](highly recommended read)[/b] Ill start with something i told redwing when she said, ttk should be based on teamwork, and should be slower [i]"I understand, but the way destiny is set up is that everyone plays the role of damage dealer. With defender being the support Basing gunplay on teamplay is impossible with the classes we have available Overwatch is allowed to have lower ttk because there are 4 different roles. The closest thing to team work in destiny is team shotting Thats more of exploiting bad positioning. In overwatch healers usually sway gunfights heavily so often tanks or supports have to help sway the tide. To simply base team work on gunplay while also making it slower is destructive. It only worked in halo due to everyone having generic equipment but has to fight for power weapons and had to work together in vehicles . If they are gonna make gunplay a part of teamwork, healers and damage mitigaters need to be more prevelant"[/i] Bdobbins had an excellent video explaining this, linked here and above https://youtu.be/kHW8z6g9tG4 I dont agree entirley with his solutions, im just saying destinys teamplay really isint present because everyone is a damage dealer. As for communication, overwatch uses a communication wheel you can wave hi, emote, but you can call a group up, you can say when your super is ready, but beyond that it also has audio cues Every character has a quote when they use an ability. For example, when mercy dashes to heal you, you hear " im right beside you" . Or lucio always calling out what boost he is giving, but also cued by what song he is playing. Destiny does weapon audio cues fine with, you know exactly what is firing at you, but there is no variation. Overwatch aslo has audio cues for supers, as well as destiny. Not only can you tell your team what charge it is at, but you know if its friendly or not. For example enemy abilities are red, and yours are blue so you know who's they are. But since overwatch has a multi culture cast, they do a very unique thing, if a teamate uses a super, then they say the quote in english, but if an enemy sombra for example uses it, she will say it in her native language, Spanish. Ive played many games in overwatch without speaking a word in the mic, because the audio cues and emote wheel are perfectly done, and allow teamwork with even having to really speak. Destiny should do team color abilties since [b]elements are usless in pvp anyways[/b] , but also there should be a distinct sound difference between a teamate and an enemy using an ability or super. The emote wheel works wonders on its own, and id like to see that little bit of effort put in. [b]Payoffs worth the grind [/b] The poor Payoffs from the grind is bad in several ways. 1) Mutiple nerfs have ruined many of the rewards recieved from all activities. I remember getting a random shotguh from future war cult called the crash, and running that from the dark below to house of wolves. Everything had awesome perks and fit in the meta, now everything feels so useless and needs a perk that does not desrtoy the guns range or stability to be any good, Rebuffing weapons and readding the old field scout, perfect balance, send it/range perks should make more rewards feel much better 2) the grind itself is horrid. I said it on the last cast i was on, the sword quest was a chore, literally taking laps around patrol for hours to get a rare material isint a test of skill or a feat, it only tests your patience. There has to be better ways to improve the grind. Archons forge is the best arena in the game, they should really put more rewards into it and make offerings purchasable. And able to hold Mutiple. Strikes got new twists and bounties which are great an have made me enjoy progressing. Strike chests should also hold more engrams so they arent just one and done. Revampingthe old raids, so we have at least some variation in grinding So we need better rewards, and more fun. I say think house of wolves, all activities and all rewards are viable [b]Should gear be reworked?[/b] As it stands, sure more murmers, sleepers, pocket infinity, should be in the game, they are fun and great concepts. It when it comes to perks and upgrades, its like i said before, its not the gear itself, its just how Ieffective its perks are and the state of balance. Only things that need leginamet reworks are armor perks. Maybe more perks to help melee range, radius, damage, some kind of variation of that, or maybe armor with icarus. Core gameplay is right where it should be, we know gear can be worth it, they showed us in house of wolves. Lets see if they learned from their mistakes [b]Reworked subclasses[/b] I feel like the only sublasses that need reworks are gunslinger and bladedancer, sunsinger has an awesome role in pve now, its just that that roll should be more menacing in pvp. As for gunslinger, its just a lazy perk tree, chain of woe and g's trance can be found on weapons and armor. But they need a headhshot to be activated. Gunslinger should be all damage dealer with no mobilty enhancements or survivability those perks should stay on armor. Bladedancer feels the same. Titans already our run bladedancer in every aspect, and warlocks can get their special handling perks too. And the titans dune marchers practically make the Bladedancers useless. Its should be a lot more shifty, i say lose the whole run faster, and fast hands thing, and get a more faster actions and quicker pounce mentality. I say some kind of perk to get icarus since hunters do a lot of jumping, more perks that retain mobility while firing like dance machines, maybe a perk that lets you shoot while sprinting (totally balanced sonce there is no armor buff here) . I say stop trying to make bladedancer a mobilty class with some sleight of hands andd turn it into, " i can do multiple things effectively while mobile, and mobilty does not affect my ability to fight while on the move [b]Op weapons[/b] I agree that people shouldent worry too much about what killed them, but they should worry why their weapons preferences are soo inefficient. The only weapons that have ever been op in this game, are thorn, last word, suros, vex, firebolts, and maybe felwinter. Those weaons have been trashed to uselessness, so my concern is why i dont see them in that kill message, not ehy the clever dragon is there instead. People are always gonna complain, but we need to go back to year 1 pvp, that had the most variety, and the only real complaints where the ones against justified weapons like vex and thorn, everything else has just ruined pvp [/spoiler] Good cast, hopefully bungie listened to this one

Great episode! I'm obsessed with my gear. I gave up on all tier 12 hopes. I spent so much time grinding to find all tier 11 load outs ... with every primary reloader (except autos... because well.. 😔) + fast melee ...With chest and leg pieces to maximize shot gun or sniper ammo ...With chests with the extra armor boost for each subclass element. ... with boots with second wind. I was so happy when i finally completed each set for each character for each subclass.... Until I saw tier 12 was possible 😢

U gotta know when to hold em. Know when to fold em

Bump for trending... I haven't had the time to listen to the past couple shows, at least not fully... and honestly taking a bit of a step back lately on play time and analysis of the game... BUT going to do my part to help promote this awesome community work.

Am I missing something about t12? Is it more of a "I'm bored guess this is something to grind for" kind of thing or is there significant benefit over t10 or t11? All I see is a 6-11 second reduction to melee, I play for super/grenade at 5/5 and don't really sweat melee. Being a scout/sniper user playing up close and personal isn't something I do too often anyways.

-The harsh reality of achieving Tier 12 One helluva grind (especially for having T12 [i]and [/i]suitable perks). IMO, only worth it for people with little else to do in the game, or the truly hardcore player who needs that tiny edge. -Payoffs worth the grind No. Almost nothing is worth it. Weapons? Meh (PvP did us a solid on that one). Armor? No. It's all cosmetic. There is nothing special about gear except looks. -Should gear be reworked for D2? Absolutely! Would love to see gear set bonuses. Gear that is tailored for a specific activity or enemy (not just raid gear). How about Fallen gear that allows more to damage to Fallen? As you progress through and fight tougher Fallen enemies, you need more of that gear. Elemental primaries could work the same way. Each race is weak to certain elements, thus making them useful for something besides NF? -Is reaching 400 too easy? They need to separate level from Light. Reaching max level should be a time/reward mechanic like normal. Max light should be more representative of max dps output/intake and reflected based on current loadout. Example: Yes, you're 400 now. But that loadout is not maximized. There are other weapons which will dole out more dps. Thus, your light would be the equivalent of 403 or 405. Dig? -Endgame gear vs faction Raid gear is about the unique gear in the game. Everything is basically a reskin of something else. -In-game chat, has it been handled right or should it be reworked in D2? Reworked. When they implemented Proxy chat and Fireteam chat, it was, and still is, Opt-in (manually choose to participate). Really kind of a waste. Whoever thought that was a good idea should've been fired. Always Opt-out. They can always change the setting later. I guarantee that few people realize it's an option because of this. -Dedicated servers Are a must for a quality experience in today's world. -Speaking of D2... Lets speculate!!! A nice idea for D2 would be to have your account work across all platforms. Link your account to Bungie.net and then use that account info to log into the game.

1) The harsh reality of achieving Tier 12 Never really cared much about this. I go with whatever gear looks good on my characters, yes I'm one of those who has the gear shape the personal tastes of my characters (Damn Roleplayer in me, lol). So getting tier 12 has never been a thing I really strive for. 2) Payoffs worth the grind Should always be a reward equal to the effort done, otherwise there isn't really a point to the game, is there? 3) Should gear be reworked for D2? Yes. Too many perks. They need to resimplify things, and get things right this time. They have just done way to many things, with little direction. 4) Thoughts on possible new/reworked subclasses Don't mind it at all, nor re-leveling, as that's just the RPG player in me. If they are getting rid of weapons and armor, as much as I love Found Verdict and Vision of Confluence, I wouldn't mind them gone if it meant the game would be a vastly better experience. Same goes with subclasses, as this gives them that opportunity, should they re do the old ones, to better define what role they are meant to be. The only thing I'd want to keep is my Huntress' "Strength of the Pack" cloak, as the wolf motif goes with her identity. That's it. 5) What would you like raids to be like in D2? Fun and accessible. See I'm still dumbfounded by RWGs reactions re bullet sponges, as this raid is way less bullet spongy than previous raids. Not only that, but traditionally a boss character is ALWAYS a bullet sponge in every game ever made. I dunno, I just still scratch my head everytime I hear it. 6) Is reaching 400 too easy? It should be easy to be able to obtain max level. No in game activity should dictate how you get there. Personally, I wish they'd take a traditional level up system, and gear would not factor in at all with leveling, but that's me. 7) Endgame gear vs faction See, it's hard to judge, as most endgame gear is required in order to get to that maximum level. Should endgame gear be good? Yes? Should it be the be all end all? Yes and no? 8) OP weapons Dunno about OP weapons, but there needs to be separation between PvE and PvP. This is one of the main problems this game has suffered for, and what caused this steady nerfs to everything in this game. This will allow us to play how we want in PvE and not suffer the wrath of The whining from the other side, and vice versa. 9) Teamwork in PvP I dunno. I feel it's not just a teamwork thing, but rather that most of the game modes were designed as TDM variants, in that it promoted solo style play in the first place. I mean let's look at each mode. Clash is TDM, hands down; Control is TDM with an optional objective that really has no direct bearing other than adding a multiplier to your kills. Rumble is TDM free for all; skirmish is TDM but for threes. Salvage is also TDM with an optional objective, as kills grant score points. (All the base game modes). Sure if we add a few of the newer modes, there are finally some variety (Rift is a mix of TDM and a slight CTF mechanic, Supremacy is TDM, but with an objective that actually means something. Zone Control is the classic CoD Domination game type, and Elimination, which is a TDM single life variant), but most have been just TDM game modes, which promotes less need for teamwork. Had they made modes that did not require kills=win as extensive as they are, there would be mode need for teamwork. That being said, I dislike Rift for Rift. It's an insufferable game mode that promotes spawn trapping, and it's just garbage. I hated that type of play in other shooters, and I hate it here. That's why I cannot stand it as an IB week, and I look forward to IB. I've played it with teams too, and still couldn't have fun, even if we were the ones dominating with spawn traps. 10) In-game chat, has it been handled right or should it be reworked in D2? Yes and no? Truth be told I can't stand ESOs proximity chat and not being able to just mute it is just fn annoying. I'd hate to see that style system incorporated for Destiny 2. That being said, I don't quite think that Bungie handled the chat correctly. Part of me thinks that to some extent, the PvP wasn't supposed to get that much focus, hence they didn't have anything really setup properly for it, especially when vanilla really needed chat for only VoG otherwise. Now that they have made the game more reliant on group play in multiple areas, they need to have that as a better system in D2. 11) Dedicated servers If D2 will be on PC, hopefully they will incorporate dedicated servers to console, but I wouldn't put it past them to keep console p2p regardless. I guess something that somewhat bugs me with the PC thought is that where is the story going to be making sense, since D1 wasn't on PC. Scares me somewhat. 12) Favorite moments of the week Since I haven't played a ton of destiny in a while I don't particularly have an in game moment of the week. However, my favorite moment of the week is getting plugged on the podcast (yea! name was pronounced correctly! 😁👍), and the fact I got to use a Dungeons and Dragons reference on you, Sols. It shows while we may not always agree, we can have a good laugh in the conversations we do have, lol.

-The harsh reality of achieving Tier 12 Tier 12 is so simple to achieve. The grand truth of it all if someone wanted to, they can have it done within a day. -Payoffs worth the grind Destiny's grind has never been a payoff. People will say year one they got great weapons/amour. But, limited choices. Where now you get a million options of crap. -Should gear be reworked for D2? D1 and D2 should be totally separate. This way we can avoid all the whining and complaining of weapon and armour imbalances. -Speaking of D2... Lets speculate!!! Meh. D2 has no excitement for me. Bungie can not seem to do any type of game play correctly. Though, the artwork is amazing. That, well. Amazing. -Thoughts on possible new/reworked subclasses Something needs to be done about them. They lack any form of... mmmm. pizazz -What would you like raids to be like in D2? Destiny needs to go away from raids as they do not do them well. -Is reaching 400 too easy? No, deeps on if you a solo person or not. -Endgame gear vs faction There should be no difference. Both of them are a pain in the ass to get and have crap looks and perks. -OP weapons Nothing is OP. Again I'll refer to my kids comments, "The weapons are fine, people are just deer in a head light when they see a shot gun." -Teamwork in PvP PVP only has team work if you play with the same group of people. Other than that, there is the odd group that have 2 marbles. -In-game chat, has it been handled right or should it be reworked in D2? Never have used it. Use the console chat. -Dedicated servers Don't need them. People just need to get off the wifi and stop with the walmart/mc Donald's connections. -Favorite moments of the week Receiving my whiskey, sake and beer import from Japan. Mmmmmm. Beer. [spoiler]where is the topic on the chicken cannon! Come on! Help a guardian out![/spoiler]

Something I wanted to add to the discussion about possibly needing to re-level character subclasses in destiny 2: Read vault of glass 3 grimoire card. Rasputin 5 also is somewhat relevant. There's a good chance we'll lose the city and the tower at the beginning of destiny 2 and have to flee to the outer solar system, if not further. Maybe even leaving the traveler behind because of Rasputin, who still can't make up his mind as to whether guardians are human enough to protect directly. Among other things this could mean a changing with what kind of powers our existing elemental subclasses could use, necessitating a wipe of powers and abilities and learning new ones. Possibly even after playing a prologue chapter that encompasses our fight to protect the tower and then flee it,band after that we have to learn new things. I do agree, however, that bought items/rewards should migrate forward, but as cosmetic things that can be applied to new items later on. Skins, basically.

Commented on youtube as well... I didn't start paying attention until late last year, and once I did, I was at tier 12 within 2 weeks. I was more worried about perks and matching loadouts than I was about looks and tier 12. With a little patience and, yes, grind, and other sacrifice (looks, sets, etc.) you can get there. Only one piece of my tier 12 gear is crucible based, my boots, from Trials. Everything else has come from engrams and faction packages. I have multiple builds that allow tier 12 in multiple configurations (4 across all three, heavy Int/Str or Dis/Str etc.). It speaks to "play your way," and as bad as I am in the crucible I look for any advantage I can. I get 100% ghosts from the Archon's Forge and 100% class items from the forge and strikes all the time. I spent some time the other day pulling armor from the Rise of Iron accomplishment book (maybe 30 minutes), upgrading the level 3 item with the previous armor from the book, until I got a tier 12 item. Took maybe 30 minutes.

Edit: -Should gear be reworked for D2? I'm new to fpsmmo (if that's what we are calling destiny), but I think they should just do away with weapon rolls, or different variants of the same gun. I think it would make it a lot easier to balance. Wait wait wait...or gear, and weapons should behave differently in pve and pvp idk I'm not a dev. I'd love to see [b]Destiny[/b] kiosk In D2. -What would you like raids to be like in D2? [quote][i]Id love to see a 2-6 player raid.[/i][/quote] Zero stole this from me, We'll see him in court. But yeah, only raid I've ever played is WoTm, and people were brutal in the beginning. When I beat it, that was it for me. I don't think I'll ever raid again if its not with the right team. Watched people play the other raids, and I have to say I love WoTm in every way. I don't have 4+ hrs to grind a raid and I wouldn't mind more raids like WoTm (alone on this one? lol). Even with the crazy people yelling like kids it was a fun raid. I beat Crota, but that was more of a strike -Dedicated servers It's a must do, I mean I don't see any reason not to have them. -Thoughts on possible new/reworked subclasses I'm all for it, as long as our guardians and subs transfer over. I don't care about anything else transferring, maybe because its not my account I'm playing on lol. Good show guardians!

Firs off big shout out to Sol's and RWG stepping in during Akisis phase two and helping getting that Outbreak Prime quest done! More times than I can count you two have helped me get raids done. Never really tried to get tier 12 gear. Just not something I ever focused on. Probably cause I am just not that competitive Crucible type. I will have to put more thought into it though. Grinding is fine if it eventually leads to a pay off. Right now I get way to many duplicate drops and class items. Vendor gear is nice but what do I need another 390 boots for? Or another 77 Wizard? Right now I feel like the grinding is kinda pointless. IMO no weapon, perk or what ever is OP or unfair. To much of that has gone on already and it hasnt worked. Nerfs just ruined allot of what made us feel powerful in PvE. Its time to look at other ways to "balance". Getting to 400 took me a long time and I am still rounding out my other two characters. My "luck" with RNG isnt good. I dont raid much so I dont get many ways to aquire raid gear. Restrictions on the best loot tied to a feature that you can't easily access in game sucks for players like me. Having to post want ads on line sucks even more. Give us actual in game social features to build teams proper and it wouldn't be so bad. Yes the Vex is still great on close quarters maps and especially in modes like Supremacy. It does require a good hand. Love my ILL Will when running Goldengun. With the right perks it just nasty. Same with some ARs. Just have to mess around with builds and perks. To many players put focus on getting that kill with a weapon alone. This isn't always the best way to use that weapon. Sometimes they complement other things like grenades or perks or even a map. Dont drink the Kool Aid go experience these for your self. Mess around on Patrol, go play Private matches, as suggested. You might be surprised.

Destiny had a $500 million dollar budget. Elder scrolls online had a $200 million dollar budget. Elder scrolls online is at least seven times the size of Destiny. Maybe money management would be a good idea, maybe spending more money on the game instead of advertising would be a wise move. Imagine a Destiny 2 with miles upon miles of space to explore, imagine a Destiny 2 with mature content, with a well told story. Maybe we might get the game we hoped for with Destiny 1.

How they can fix PvE. Take what works in WarFrame I've been playing that game for the past week and if Bungie took there example they can re-creat PvE into somethings amazing while keeping Destiny's identity untouched. I'll make a post about it soon. Just some food for thought. Good podcast as always sols.

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I listened through the whole podcast early this morning and I wanted to weigh in on a few topics. First, before I get there, I'd like to thank Synge and Durandal for their input on this particular podcast, as you both weighed in on topics that I really care about - that is, endgame activities and endgame rewards. Now down to the meat and potatoes: 1. Tier 12 gear: Min/Maxing my stats (Strength, Intellect, Discipline) has never been a focal point for me. I get nearly 80% of my kills from either my Primary or Secondary weapon, so I'm not constantly spamming my grenade or melee, and there are often times where I don't even pop my super in the game. In the future (D2) I would like to see a system where the stats (Strength, Intellect, Discipline) are determined by character level. You should only get a limited amount of points based on character level, and you should be forced to make a choice (for instance, level 30 gets 30 "stat points" that you can divide between the three stats as you wish). This would make the game much more like a traditional RPG and would offer a benefit to being max level (as opposed to light level), which would give a sense of progression, even with a simple "level up." Maybe its me, but I honestly don't think people should be grinding their butts off for something that may shave a few seconds off their regen times. It seems like a LOT of effort for very little gain. 2. Of the alleged D2 Reboot: I'm with Redwingsgirl, in that I DO NOT want to lose all of my gear, and this would be doubly so if I actually paid for silver (I didn't.). However, I DO think a total reboot is necessary because of how badly they have screwed up the loot system in Y2. Everyone loved 3oC when we first got them, but as we realized the longterm affects on the game, I think more and more people are seeing them as a negative influence. But you can't undo the damage they've already done to the game if everything transfers over. It's a difficult thing to swallow, as I, too, expected this game to be continually added to as the game progressed, with no reboot necessary. And we've already suffered ONE reboot, with TTK (and it's gone poorly IMO). But would a reboot be worth it? IMO, absolutely, but they must do it for the right reasons. And IMO, the right reasons include hitting the reset button on the game's broken loot system. A total reboot would be acceptable if they had to do it in order to separate PVE balance from PVP. 3. Raids: All of you went back and forth on how the raids should be, (longer and more mechanics vs. shorter, less mechanics, etc.). I really don't think this is an either/or proposition though. I enjoyed VoG like everyone else. I loved Crota even though it was a much shorter raid, and an entirely different experience. I even liked Kings Fall - I just didn't a reason to repeatedly play it. Can't comment on WoTM because I don't have ROI. But I think having different varieties of raids, with different mixes of mechanics vs. DPS is a good thing. If every raid was purely mechanical, it would get boring after a while. If its purely DPS, its boring after a while. I think what makes each raid unique is that they stress different skills, and I DO like that they each present different challenge levels. Overall, I don't think its a bad thing for them to mix it up and throw new stuff at us (And I'm STILL waiting for a raid that features a Sparrow run...). I don't think it would be good for them to make raids only one way. 4. Raid/Endgame Rewards: With that said, we need a reason to play the raids. I love Destiny because I love to raid, but we simply aren't going to raid if we don't have a reason to. This is the reason why I think nobody is raiding 4 months after release of RoI. The raid gear, on paper, is an improvement from Kings Fall gear, which was just absolute trash. But its not GOOD ENOUGH. The raid is the hardest PVE content in the game. The Nightfall is the next hardest. These pieces of content should be difficult to do, and should reward those who complete it with some of the best loot in the game. PERIOD. This should include elite tier exotics AND raid gear. On paper, WoTM's gear is really only on par with Vendor Gear. I understand the raid perk makes them useful in the raid, but they lack the +1 factor that VoG gear had. And VoG gear is a great comparison, because its raid perk was ALSO very niche, like the gear for WoTM. The reason we sought after VoG gear and kept running it over and over because its gear had that +1 factor (elemental damage). WoTM gear DOES NOT have that +1 factor, and therefore, its really only on par with vendor gear. So why would I take on that kind of challenge if I was only going to get gear that is on par with vendor gear or strike gear? Most people have taken a look at the gear, done the math, and figured out that their efforts are best spent elsewhere, like running strikes. Strikes, for me, are not PVE/Endgame meat and potatoes, so ROI and TTK really had nothing to offer me. Raids need to give the BEST (higher) chances to drop the elite exotics than all other content, and the raid gear needs to be hands down better than gear you get outside the raid. People complain that they get pigeonholed into using the raid weapons because of elemental damage and I think the compromise solution is to allow players to dismantle raid weapons and get an RNG chance to obtain the elemental core from the gun you took apart (For instance, Fatebringer would give Arc core). Then you can put that core in any gun you want. This system would give us continued reasons for doing the raid even AFTER we have gotten all the best gear that can drop from the raid. 5. OP Weapons: We need some really OP weapons to seek in PVE. Endgame rewards need to be the kind that reduce grind. Having these kind of guns are great rewards that add replayability to other areas of the game because they change the nature of the grind and take the tediousness out of generally mundane content. For instance, G-horn, B-hammer, etc. all reduced strike completion times because they were so powerful. This actually made strikes FUN to play because you actually got a sense that your guardian had grown in power by doing the endgame. You just don't get that sense here. But OP guns in PVE often wreck balance in PVP. To the extent that balance should even be a goal in PVP, the two modes need to be fully separated so we can enjoy some really awesome, powerful, and fun weaponry in PVE. And again, these OP, grind reducing guns need to come from endgame only. If they are available to everyone by quest or through intermediate content, there is simply no incentive to do any other content harder than the intermediate content. [b]Reward great effort with great loot! [/b] 6. Ease of reaching LL 400: I cut against the grain on this one. I think its a good thing to have a pathway to max light outside of the raid. I have no problem with that. Do I think its too easy? Yeah, I do. But it's the nature of the beast. I personally would prefer that they go to a straight exp progression system rather than this convoluted light level system. Why? Because I don't think RNG should play any roll in your character's progression in regards to power/light level. I think RNG should determine your loot drops, and where RNG doesn't reward you, you should still feel like you got something out of the time you played. In this system, you may not have gotten the drop you wanted, but you got some exp towards your next level. They can do something where level ups beyond max level grant you motes of light which allow you to buff certain powers by consuming the mote to, for example, increase the damage of your super. These power changes would only apply to PVE so it doesn't affect PVP balance, and it would give a sense of progression so you don't feel like your week is wasted, just because you ran all 3 raids and nightfalls and didn't get a G-horn. By the way, this would also end strike speed runs, since people would have an incentive to kill everything in the strike to maximize exp gain... Final thoughts: Ultimately, Destiny right now is a game I WANT to like and I WANT to play and enjoy, but I simply can't anymore. Y2 brought the end to endgame relevance, and I'm just waiting to see if that trend continues into D2. This game was never more fun for me than in Y1 when we had incentive to run/rerun the raids every week, and we were excited to come home after work to run x3 nightfalls for a chance at getting an exotic. Hell, it was fun to run heroic strikes, which were mini-nightfalls for guaranteed coins. Y2 destroyed all of that and replaced it with nothing but 3oC and strikes, and PVP. IMO, we're at a cross roads. This game can become the great game we all thought it would be before Vanilla launched. But it can also become a space-themed CoD game with aliens. And I think we're all just watching to see what direction it actually goes in.