I didn't think it could be done. I really didn't. But in my mind, Wrath of the Machine has surpassed the Vault of Glass to become the best raid (at least when comparing normal modes).
Both Vault and Wrath:
• Don't place all the pressure on one person like Crota's End
• Don't place the pressure on everyone to perform at all times like King's Fall
• Require large amounts of movement unlike King's Fall
• Have interesting fights
• Have good loot drops
• Making a mistake doesn't doom the team
• Turning the raid inside out looking for secrets
What Wrath does that Vault doesn't:
• Requires a good amount of communication
• Less able to be cheesed
• Less glitchy
• Better secrets
• All subclasses are viable for strategies for at least one part
• More exotics viable in the raid
• All major sections give loot
• Amazing soundtrack
• Raid exotic isn't a random drop
• Raid armor really helps complete raid
• Better loot system
[b]Note:[/b] Wrath's shortness both helps and hurts it. By being so short, it opens it up to a bigger population and helps make being sherpa easier (thank god), but some also feel that that takes away from the experience.
What Vault does that Wrath doesn't:
• Able to help a raid team in patrol
• Created a sense of discovery every time I run through it (at least for me)
• More interesting Relic
• Fatebringer
• Nostalgia
It might still be the honeymoon phase, but I think that Wrath of the Machine is an A+ example of a raid. Bungie figured out how to capture the feel of the Vault again, and that makes me incredibly hopeful for future raids.
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I've only completed it once, I was a 365 and we didn't wipe While I appreciate all the loot you can get, I think I'm just done with pve in this game. I like VoG and even Crotas End better than WoM, KF was the worst raid by far
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I voted Kings Fall. I don't think it's the most fun, or has the best loot. But it requires the most coordination, and every boss fight feels unique and challenging. The only thing I dislike about it is you're always standing in one spot to do damage, which can be kind of boring. I think it's the epitome of what a 6 man team can accomplish in Destiny. VoG and Wrath are both amazing as well though. Crota doesn't count, his raid is a strike lmao
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I do like wrath of the machine, but to me it didn't feel like the raid I want. I want a raid that challenges me to do my best at every part, without punishing my entire team if I mess up once. I want a raid that doesn't feel like me and my group could beat in a realistic sense. What I mean by that is the Siva clusters you throw at the bosses seem so convenient, why are they there why do they keep falling from the ceiling. You could make the comparison to the aegis from vault of glass but the aegis had lore. It was created by kabr who died in the vault of glass and essentially passes the aegis on to us, it gives the relic substance and not just a plot convenience. I like that aetheon was the most difficult part of vault if glass but it wasn't like the rest of the raid is a joke like wrath of the machine. Honestly if you had a team of good players you could beat up to aksis phase two without having a single person be 360+ light. Which is ridiculous. Also this is just me but I feel as though the vex are the most interesting enemy that we have in destiny, their abilities, their lore makes them far more intriguing that anything else we have faced oryx being second on that list. Also I feel after we killed oryx aksis and Siva just don't feel like as much of a threat. We will see what changes when hard mode comes out but as it sits right now my fav raids in order are vault of glass, kings fall, wrath of the machine, Croats end.
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Prison of Elders is the best !
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You must be out of your mind kid.
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2 RepliesWotm is terrible. What are you smoking
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4 RepliesPersonally hated VOG, ran Crota a few times, haven't done a raid since 😜👍🏻
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2 RepliesMe: Were in past! Scrub 1: Where? Right or left? Scrub 2: Venus! Me: Uhhh the gates not up Scrub 1: I thought the left one was Venus. *wipe*
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I pretty much agree. Vault kind of got dethroned a bit. To be fair though, considering how much the devs have learned about their own game etc., Vault has a slight edge for being first, being great, and CHARTING THE UNKNOWN.
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3 RepliesWrath Of The Machine is a piece of cake in Normal. Buuuuut let's see what's going to happen in Hard Mode with Vosik and Aksis (Nothing is gonna change with the Siege Engine except the Mob's Level)
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1 ReplyEdited by Razor Ramon: 10/15/2016 3:16:08 AMKings fall was VoG is as basic as basic can be lmao!!!
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i love how the sleeper simulant is one of the best exotic heavies in the game for the raid and people were saying it sucked when it first came out.
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6 RepliesWoTM has given me a new perspective on swords. Dark drinker did a lot more to aksis then I thought. Still nothing can beat gorgons. Eff them.
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5 RepliesWotm is way too easy
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WoTM is just fun to play honestly. Done the raid about 5 times already this week to help friends and I'm still enjoying it.
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VoG was the best. The sounds. The creepy atmosphere. The empty and bottomless feel you get when descending deeper into the vault. It had a great mix of frantic fighting during the confluxes to a coordinated team effort at the gatekeeper. Stealth sequence at the gorgons, and a badass boss fight with atheon where everyone gets to spam supers and weapons.
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Personally I think it's a tie between VoG and WotM
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VoG is a challenging but fun raid. Crotas end was a strike. Kings fall based everything on mechanics which sucked but WoTM is the most fun raid in destiny.
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5 RepliesWotM is a decent raid, if a little easy. For me however, it isn't of the same quality as VoG. We need to wait for hard mode to properly judge it though I guess.
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Started playing VOG last night.... *still waiting to clear the oracle phase*......
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Wouldn't life be better if there was just one of everything? #karlmarxforpresident?
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5 RepliesProbably u are new here. This is the most boring raid ever. Everyone did it few days after the release. Its easy as hell and repetitive. Only one boss. No epic no immersion. Just throw balls against a target. But hey what matters is having fun with friends so i dont mind
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ViG is the best for me simply because the mechanics don't limit you too much and you can kinda just have fun in that raid. Also, the relic was so much fun to use! But WotM is really close. Did my first run this week and was really impressed. I love the siege engine bit and the fact that you get randomly empowered so everyone gets to slam. Bungo, if you keep on going this way I'll be a happy camper! Kings Fall was stunning visually, had some great jumping sections, but the fights had too many mechanics and the relic was boring af. Crota was just too short, too buggy and too reliant on one person on sword.
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Wrath is better than Vault IMO.
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19 RepliesI personally enjoy the new raid. I just don't understand how so many people struggle at aksis phase 2. It's really not that hard people.
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13 RepliesHonestly, anybody that says VOG was better than WotM is too stuck in nostalgia to see the truth.