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6/25/2016 9:31:18 PM
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Red Death's name, and what it might mean for Rise of Iron
Red Death is one of the most well-known guns in Destiny. It's a fabled exotic with an incredibly powerful perk, it heals you.
The name "Red Death" could come from two possible sources. In the Cold War era, western nations that denounced communism feared what was called the "Red Death" or in some cases the "Red Demise". This was a code name for a nation falling into communist control.
But, the origin of the term Red Death along with the most popular use of the phrase comes to us from Edgar Allan Poe, author of the short story "Mask of the Red Death". In the story, a wealthy man throws a party at his home. As the party continues, however, people begin to go missing, dying. The end of the story reveals to us that a man, clad in a mask of the Red Death, has come to claim them all.
Knowing some history of Poe, he died long before the start of the 20th century, and if we are to assume that humanity remained the same up until it's encounter with the Traveler, we can believe that in the Destiny timeline, Edgar Allan Poe existed and wrote Mask of the Red Death.
The Red Death, is portrayed as being an analogy to the Bubonic Epidemic of the late Middle Ages. You may know it better as "The Plague"
(Yes, I'm going [i]there[/i])
I believe Red Death is a SIVA production. And, honestly, it makes sense to me.
The theory: SIVA was designed to help enhance weapons, but it eventually corrupted those who used them. Red Death is one such example. Red Death is an older model, SIVA corrupted SUROS Regime. I have long thought these weapons looked too similar and had too similar of perks to be independently manufactured.
Feel free to add to this theory, take away from it, or just prove me wrong. And one last thing, I don't want to hear someone say "Red Death and SUROS look nothing alike" because that's just wrong.
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The lore of the Red Death says anytime a guardian finds one he must destroy it. I thought it was used to kill the original 9 Guardians because there are nine hash marks on the side of it thus making it one of the most feared Guns by Guardians
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1 ReplySomewhere it mentions how a guardian forged this weapon on his own. He was half mad. I don't think that he was in his right mind enough to go find some SIVA. Idk tho.
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16 RepliesPutting something like that in the game would require knowledge and skill. Something that nobody at bungie has.
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4 Replies1) One's a pulse, one's an auto. 2) SIVA didn't exist in the Bungie writers' minds until way after Red Death was already out there. Other than that, [i]solid theory.[/i] [spoiler]3) They look nothing alike.[/spoiler]
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Edited by lonesoldier27: 6/27/2016 9:52:10 PMNo, lore on red death so far has been a single mad guardian began making red specters and testing them in the crucible, even giving them to other gaurdians, eventually this practice culminated in his creation of red death, it's speculated that this guardian died shortly after creating red death, and his weapon "disappeared", canonicaly we are supposed to report finding red death, obviously we don't, but now red specters have started circulating the crucible again hinting that the "mad guardian" or one like him is attempting to recreate or improve on red death
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3 RepliesRed Death is a modified Red Sceptre
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2 Replies[quote]And one last thing, I don't want to hear someone say "Red Death and SUROS look nothing alike" because that's just wrong.[/quote] The only part that looks similar is the base: - The stock - The grip - The magazine area Which is the same for the blue Shingen weapons and most low RoF legendary auto rifles in Y1. So I wouldn't necessarily see that as a clue.
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2 RepliesUmm... But red death and Suros look nothing alike[spoiler]😜[/spoiler]
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This is actually interesting because yes the red death is a modified suros that was changed by an unknown guardian. If SIVA tech was used to change it to red death, maybe all the siva weapons like the Cocytus from the trailer have the possibility for the health regeneration perk.
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2 RepliesRed Death is just a former SUROS Regime that was found on a dead Guardian by a bandit. The bandit modified and hacked the weapon into its present known form and used to kill other Guardians with it. Why Bungie feels the need to first remove "It is a guardian killer." back in Update 1.0.3, as well as change the Grimoire card over time, I cannot answer that question.
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14 RepliesEdited by moka: 6/27/2016 7:38:26 PMThat's suros There's a reason people say it doesn't look like it...because it doesn't
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1 ReplyEdited by CDV3: 6/27/2016 1:54:25 PMI wonder what would happen if SIVA managed to corrupt Rasputin, or possibly another dormant Warmind. What if the Vex managed to augment themselves too? But that Raises the question. Is SIVA self aware? Or is it similar to a Virus that simply infects things with the sole purpose to reproduce. In medicine, Viruses aren't classified as living things. They have no brains, or other organs. They're simply shells containing instructions of DNA. They float around until they can input their DNA into another living thing, in order to make more of itself. SIVA is very similar in my opinion. If it did infect a Warmind, would it bother to fire weapons at the City? Or would it want to infect the Traveler next?
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2 RepliesFYI I think the cold war thing was called the red scare. I did a essay on it for school.
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Edited by Shadow: 6/27/2016 1:33:45 PMNo. It was a weapon changed and reprogrammed from the original Shingen C. In fact, a few other exotic weapons have been created by Guardians.
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Red death is a weapon that corrupts the user due to the creator of the weapon going insane and somehow imbued a part of themselves into.the weapon. I like your theory but I don't think it's siva.
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12 RepliesHow did an auto rifle become a pulse though? I know you're going to say something about Red Spectre, being the prototype for Red Death, but...? 🤔
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2 RepliesRed: colour, Death: Dead Colored Dead
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Edited by HD Papa Sheriff: 6/27/2016 5:17:34 AMRed death, i moreso believe is an allusion to the masque of the red death by edgar allen poe [spoiler]after further reading i see you included that lmao[/spoiler]
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3 RepliesI don't give two shits about the origins, just make it a two burst killer again.
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1 ReplyAccording to grimoire, red death was made by an insane Guardian though...
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3 RepliesEdited by JHarv: 6/27/2016 2:28:02 AMAnd some designer at Bungie is thinking "I just thought the name was cool :/" Dont give them more credit than they deserve. They aren't that smart.
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7 RepliesPosts long crackpot theory about Red Death. Obviously hasn't read the Grimior card regarding Red Death.
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Best bait ever
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This actually makes a lot of sense
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Edited by Griff: 6/27/2016 1:14:53 AMThe Vanguard policies urges guardians to destroy this gun on sight... It's a guardian killer.
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1 ReplyUnless some Guardian just named his bad ass gun after his wife's time of the month...
