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Edited by Fr33-StuF-pl0x:
2/26/2016 4:50:17 PM
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The number of people using snipers is ruining Iron Banner.
I have no problem with snipers themselves, I don't really feel like they're all that great, but the sheer number of players using snipers in Iron Banner is honestly ruining the flow of the game. It's currently slowed down way too much because people fear being picked off around every corner they turn, and certain parts of maps are being shut down completely by just 1-2 people using snipers. Something needs to be done with the other three special weapon types so players are more likely to use all four types equally, instead of 95% using just snipers. It's getting quite ridiculous now, and there's a large number of my friends deciding to skip iron banner, and the crucible all together because of it, which I find sad.
Edit: This has nothing to do with being killed by a sniper or that I think they're overpowered. This is about the amount of people using them and how it ruins the flow of the maps and game in general. Please stop responding with the typical "learn how to counter it" that has nothing to do with anything, even when I do flank them and everything suggested, I can't do anything about teammates that still continually run out and get picked off trying to counter snipe, and other stupid shit that eventually loses the game.
Edit: Day 4 of Iron Banner, started to play on my hunter after achieving rank 5 on my warlock. The land is still corrupt with red glows as far as I can see.
Turn a corner, get picked off.
Run to cover, get picked off.
Enter a room, get picked off.
Use super, get picked off.
Out shoot enemy, get picked off by said enemy at any given range.
Spawn, get picked off.
Return to orbit, get picked off.
This is just sad.
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Aim assist should decrease Zoom should increase
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6 RepliesThey need descope so you can suppress the snipers and close the gap , been saying this since beginning
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Considering theres only 3 weapon types for special what do you expect? Blame bungie for not adding enough variety in their weapons.
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9 RepliesIm having another good IB. However I agree, the flow of the games has been very meh. It borders on pathetic some of the stuff you see. 4 out of 6 guys sniping in the back of the map. The other 2 charging in with doctrine. I use a scout and sidearm and my kd has been great so far but the flow and tactics is boring. Also lets be real here. The guys claiming that snipers are skilled is just stupid. Yes tge elite snipers sure. The jackass hardscoping a lane, come on. Thos current meta it takes much more skill to shotgun. 1vs1 it may take more skill to snipe but overall game play it takes more skill currently to shotgun. The loss in range and mobility and equip speed is ridiculous. The ability to close the gap and maintain long killstreaks is much harder with a shotgun. Yeah if hes on you its wuick and doesn't take as much skill to drop you. Closing that distance though and getting into position for the next engagement takes work. Its a lot harder to get relentless with a shotty than it is a sniper. The solution to snipers is quite fixable. Fix fusions. Remove the mobility nerf from shotguns and make it where snipers drop aim when they take precision damage. Then this issue is fixed.
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2 RepliesIf youre not getting killed by them whats the problem?
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4 Repliesno it isn't. it's just your poor experience. I've been killed more by the trials auto rifle than anything
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2 RepliesEdited by Force58: 2/25/2016 6:46:21 PMWhaa, Whaa, Whaa, everybody crying over snipers. Again. Then you'll all be bitching when Bungie nerfs the shit out of them! How about you all "learn to defend against them". Novel idea, huh? I just started using mine this IB because I want to get better with my 1KYS. Having a ton of fun and now you all want to ruin it. This game has become infested with crying, bitching and moaning and I don't see it stopping until Bungie totally -blam!-s up everything in the game due to it.
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3 RepliesYou honestly just said that people using snipers is a problem but being killed by them isn't? How the hell does that make sense? Is it the presence of a sniper that is holding people back? No its being killed by them. Those are not exclusive things lol.
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1 Replyand doctrine
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Edited by Mister Nice Guy: 2/25/2016 6:51:59 PMThey nerfed the shit out of everything else....what did you expect? Probably just improving the other specials will balance it out, again. [spoiler]Snipers are extremely effective by comparison, right now--even with body shots. High damage, and very little disadvantage (red glare during hardscopes? and high flinch?). And yes, I am using a sniper...because that's the smart thing to do.[/spoiler]
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I wreck all u sniper scrubs with a dis 47. Lol.
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I like to switch it up every once in awhile. Sidearms are good if you can get a perfect shot. A good solid shot with a fusion rifle is a one shot kill.
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2 RepliesManeuvering and teamwork?
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I think what you are getting as op is that it is boring.. i don't care what i'm killed by really.. you find counters to it.. its just that using a sniper and battling snipers is boring.. nothing against anyone who uses them, good on you for it.. but, bungie has made the game boring with the excessive use of the weapon due to its mechanics..
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6 RepliesEdited by Zonntohn: 2/25/2016 6:19:04 PMWell i went to check Guardian.GG to get facts but the iron banner stats are down at this moment, anyways last two IB shotguns doubled the amount of kills than sniper (17-18%) compared to 9%.. So based on the past times i have checked i going to go with shotguns probably still make up the majority kills like in normal clash normal clash stats: http://guardian.gg/en/weapon-stats?platform=2&start=2016-01-26&end=2016-02-24&mode=12&activity=0 http://guardian.gg/en/weapon-stats?platform=1&start=2016-01-26&end=2016-02-24&mode=12&activity=0 Here is the IB stats from beginning of Jan (only ones that are up for some reason but still gets the point across) http://guardian.gg/en/weapon-stats?platform=2&start=2016-01-01&end=2016-02-24&mode=19&activity=0 GG THO!
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The ammount of snipers is making this the easiest iron banner I have played yet!
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We just set 1 or 2 snipers opposite of them to keep their attention then flank them while they're hard scoping and shotgun the piss out of them. The smarter teams will catch on and move around more. The not so smart teams just die, A LOT. Good times.
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1 ReplyIs to damn high
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A good percentage of players are having too easy a time with headshots. Aim assist on snipers has always been too high. There's just been too much shotgunning going on for most of us to notice. Although my k/d has sunk again with this newest Iron Banner, here's how I've dealt with snipers: - Go around the back and shotgun them. They can't see radar while scoped so they won't see it coming. I'm still kicking myself for not using my super on 4 snipers clumped together on Pantheon. - Blink rush snipers and shotgun them. I stopped using Blink after the nerf but it has its uses and rushing snipers is one of the best. - Wait them out. Snipers will have great k/ds but low overall scores. Just kill the non-snipers for the win. - Keep them busy while my team kills everyone else. My k/d will go down when I eventually die but I'm more concerned with wins. - Always grab special. If you can't out shoot them, then starve them. - Use the buddy system. One of us will die, but the other will get an assist and assists are worth 1/2 a kill. Here's how not to deal with snipers: - Don't snipe back when they already have position. - Don't snipe back when there are multiple snipers. - Don't try to snipe them with primaries. It has no effect. - Don't creep out of cover while scoped.
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1 ReplyThe other special weapons are fine, it's the amount of special ammo available throughout the match that's the problem. There's so much they never even have to use a primary. Destiny patch 1.1.2 was supposed to fix that, only then it was shotguns and fusions everyone was using as a primary instead of snipers. It obviously wasn't enough of a special ammo reduction and we're worse off now than we were then IMHO.
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Outside of a few campers people just adapt to the styles of the way in which the crucible is played. If you have a bunch of guys one shoting with hand cannons and shotguns, then the best way to reduce getting lit up close range is to netrulize the threat before it gets close. People complain about snipers, but fail to realize that of the majority are running around with last word and shotguns the best thing outside of doing the same is to snipe. Just flank em. Most of them just camp anyway.
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There has always been an issue with primaries in iron banner both due to lag, and also due to lag. I either get killed by shotguns or by snipers. The only time I get killed in a primary battle is when my own primary isn't registering shots that clearly hit the other player
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Games are made for fun. Sniping is fun.
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I don't do so hot, but I've been having a lot of fun with NLB and a sidearm. I still get wrecked by other snipers though. I've come to the conclusion that (at my skill level), snipers do have skill. It's not as easy as it would seem (for me).
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I actually didn't notice many snipers at all.... I guess I'll call it luck? The ones that were sniping were trash. I'd say like 1 out of every 10 was actually good. The rest I was easily out shooting with mida.
