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Edited by Art Vandelay: 12/21/2015 4:45:31 PM
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The Sniper meta is worse than the Shotgun meta

Coming from a guy thats been using high impact snipers since the LDR 5001. The main argument for "what takes more skill: snipers vs shotguns" is that snipers are harder to use because you have to land headshots. I just don't see it like that though. The truth is that snipers are so much safer to use. You can distance yourself where you cant be killed fast by the majority of meta weapons, you can pop in and out of cover and still get kills. Even if you miss, youre safe, the same cant be said about shotguns though. With shotguns, you have to put yourself at risk, either by pushing past the half way mark on the map, going into the other teams spawn, etc. You need to be agile and use your character's mobility. Its not easy to do. Sure, you can get one easy kill. But most of the time you end up trading, either with the guy you kill or you die by his teammate because you put yourself at risk. And in trials, trades are bad for the shotgun user, because they have to advance to get their close range shotgun kill, so the shotguns dead orb will usually be un-revivable whereas the orb that was killed by the shotgun will usually be on his teams own side, so it is usually revivable. With snipers, you can get one kill and safely walk away. And the fact that shotguns and fusion rifles aren't as good as they used to be, everyone is now sniping, and playing almost risk free. Pvp has mostly come down to a game of pop-in pop-out where whoever gets the first snipe has the advantage. The only risk you put yourself in is getting sniped by someone else. Playing that safe should not be so rewarding. This has nothing to do with high aim assist. As a sniper main I know nothing has changed about snipers since vanilla when it comes to aim assist. Im not "one of those guys." I genuinely believe the reason people have gotten so good at sniping recently is that [i]everyone[/i] uses them now and we've gotten so much practice with them. Nothing to do with aim assist. All Im saying is shotguns and fusion rifles, and even sidearms need to be buffed so they get more usage. I actually liked the HoW meta better because shotguns were extremely good but still had that risk factor to them. They could still be stopped dead in their tracks or could be traded with. Nowadays its almost unsafe to walk around any corner because there is already a sniper aimed down it at head level. I find myself hitting down on the dpad to see around the corner in third person every time I get to a corner. Its not a good meta at all. Bring back shotguns and fusion rifles! Again, this is coming from a sniper main. Tl;dr Shotguns take a ton of awareness and use of your character's mobility and you have to put yourself at risk for every kill, but snipers are almost risk free to use. Shotguns didnt deserve to be nerfed and should be buffed along with fusions and sidearms to give them more usage.

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  • Snipers are by far the most used weapon class right now. There WILL be a nerf for sure, you don't even have to talk about it. But yes, your points are valid. I think it should be a thing like: Slow movement while ads'ing, no accuracy while moving when ads'ing, quickscope only works for primaries or descoping right after a hit.

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    • The common sense in you is strong my friend!

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    • finally someone that think the same!

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    • Agreed it's shit

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    • Ya snipers are "harder" to use.... bullshit even if u bodyshot someone people just switch to their primary and finish u off. Shotguns have been nerfed beyond into the ground and I will still say they take more skill than any sniper on destiny.

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    • I agree. At least with shotguns you had to get in peoples faces.

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    • I agree. While sniping takes a skill hand. Most of the time your not in danger while doing it. That's why it's so easy to get a Phantom while sniping.

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      • They need to reduce the ammo gained from special crates by half and increase the timer. That way people actually use their primary more often.

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        • The problem isn't the weapons. It's the ammo. It ALWAYS HAS BEEN. Ammo drops should half, but you should be able to take your opponents if they have some when you shoot them.

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        • This is right on.

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        • Reduce ammo...

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        • Im feeling lazy and dont wanna read all that but I completely agree with the title

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          • Edited by MindEntropy: 12/21/2015 11:52:49 PM
            I'm a sniper myself and I didn't really have any complaints until I started playing a lot of pvp lately. Everyone is a god sniper these days. I played on blind watch yesterday and instead of pushing I jumped to the top to see if i could pop a couple heads. The WHOLE team was hardscoping. Red glares everywhere. It's become a boring mess. I always have to sit down or dance around every corner. I literally watched a guy just for kicks hard scoping on pantheon for about 2 minutes straight. 2 minutes! It's amazing some of the headshots kids get on me too while being flinched. Lmao. I'm a good sniper but I could never hit some of these shots. What's going on here? Kjhovey transfer his skill to the whole player base.

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            • As much fun as sniping is, I totally agree. And there are so many snipers, even if someone hits a body shot someone else will hit another one. Sometimes I swear they one shot body shot me

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              • Absolutely not. Shotgun blink and thorn was so much worse.

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                • People act like it's all about 12 people in the match (or 6 , if it's 3v3) use snipers, so maybe 2 people, or 4 people, I'm total in the game will use snipers and sparingly if at that. To me, it just seems that people love/miss the fast pace of shotguns by the end of Year 1, (but they don't want to admit it), so they're trying to nerf snipers, which won't do anything at all. Bungie can nerf snipers all they want, but in the original Halos it was always 1 headshot to kill, OR 2 body shots, they know how to balance them.

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                  • I don't mind the weapons or skill to use or aim assist or anything like that. The only reason I hate this current meta is because it killed the pace of matches. Its not frantic, it's not fun, it's not a game I want to play, it's just a bunch of try hards spawn camping and hard scoping and unless you do the same then prepare to get smashed. Its dumb.

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                  • The main issue is that there is entirely too much special ammo available, it's only possible because there is enough special ammo that you can easily user a special weapon the entire match.

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                    • Yeah, totally agree with this. Not a fan of the new meta. I think it is a combination of the nerfs to shotguns and fusion rifles in the past, and the fact that everyone gets 1000 Yard Stare as a quest reward. The problem is not the sniper itself, but the fact that three or four people on each team will be using it, and hard-scoping down traffic lanes. I used to be able to handle one or two snipers by myself with the Mida, but now there are three or four ... one of them is gonna hit me ... even if they are rubbish at sniping.

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                    • As someone who's trying to learn to 'main' sniping, I like your argument OP. A great perspective and appreciation of the risk involved in 'proper' shotgun usage..NOT camping :P

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                    • Edited by PRIIISM: 12/22/2015 3:43:59 PM
                      What sniper meta? 85% of players are using shotguns, and you can be rushed by shotguns in trails. Check your corners b4 you just pop your head out. [spoiler]But I suppose this isn't COD.......[/spoiler] Fusion are still killers. That range though. Yes, legendary fusion rifles are still viable. Plan C isn't the only option. I use them when I want to switch things up. [spoiler]I love sniping btw[/spoiler] If you want a really fun loadout; try using a sidearm + thunderstrike with amplitude. Shoot 3 times then snipe with your melee. I got rage mail the first time I used this combo, "Learn how to play you noob". That's when I knew that this combo is good. [spoiler]#HunterMain that plays other subclasses. [/spoiler]

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                    • I don't think it's worse you've just grown accustomed to shotguns everywhere and like to run Around with no concern. Snipers in game or real life make you respect your opponents more because you will take a second to at least pay attention to if you could be killed.

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                      The games balance has unfortunately become "hold down whatever area you're in" so special weapons are only good if you're sitting in the perfect zone on a map for them. Same with scouts and pulses. While everything is pretty well balanced this time around, the strengths of the meta lie in sitting back and waiting. It's all the player bases fault though. The crucible could be fast paced an intense with close range and long range engagements, but everybody just sits back because it's easy.

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                    • Looking how much crucible has changed with all the nerfs bungie made, im seriously sad.Shotgun users never bothered me it was weapon like every other kidna fun to play with, now with the snipers era its worse then ever ,especially low scope zoom... people dont realize the use snipers same way like shotgun and this should never be allowed. Crucible has to be changed or more guardians will leave, no dedicated servers,lag switchers, crying community for unlimited nerfs this is killing all of the fun in the game.Im sniper rifle user but i want changes its killing all of the fun... the way it is.

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                      • The same could be said about sniping tho. Your always looking down your scoop with no awareness of what's around or behind you. It's a equal trade off with shotgunners having to get up close and personal. Personally I don't have any issue with either. They both have a certain skill required and if you can pull it off then go for it.

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