Coming from a guy thats been using high impact snipers since the LDR 5001.
The main argument for "what takes more skill: snipers vs shotguns" is that snipers are harder to use because you have to land headshots. I just don't see it like that though.
The truth is that snipers are so much safer to use. You can distance yourself where you cant be killed fast by the majority of meta weapons, you can pop in and out of cover and still get kills. Even if you miss, youre safe, the same cant be said about shotguns though.
With shotguns, you have to put yourself at risk, either by pushing past the half way mark on the map, going into the other teams spawn, etc. You need to be agile and use your character's mobility. Its not easy to do. Sure, you can get one easy kill. But most of the time you end up trading, either with the guy you kill or you die by his teammate because you put yourself at risk. And in trials, trades are bad for the shotgun user, because they have to advance to get their close range shotgun kill, so the shotguns dead orb will usually be un-revivable whereas the orb that was killed by the shotgun will usually be on his teams own side, so it is usually revivable.
With snipers, you can get one kill and safely walk away. And the fact that shotguns and fusion rifles aren't as good as they used to be, everyone is now sniping, and playing almost risk free. Pvp has mostly come down to a game of pop-in pop-out where whoever gets the first snipe has the advantage. The only risk you put yourself in is getting sniped by someone else. Playing that safe should not be so rewarding.
This has nothing to do with high aim assist. As a sniper main I know nothing has changed about snipers since vanilla when it comes to aim assist. Im not "one of those guys." I genuinely believe the reason people have gotten so good at sniping recently is that [i]everyone[/i] uses them now and we've gotten so much practice with them. Nothing to do with aim assist.
All Im saying is shotguns and fusion rifles, and even sidearms need to be buffed so they get more usage. I actually liked the HoW meta better because shotguns were extremely good but still had that risk factor to them. They could still be stopped dead in their tracks or could be traded with. Nowadays its almost unsafe to walk around any corner because there is already a sniper aimed down it at head level. I find myself hitting down on the dpad to see around the corner in third person every time I get to a corner. Its not a good meta at all. Bring back shotguns and fusion rifles!
Again, this is coming from a sniper main.
Tl;dr
Shotguns take a ton of awareness and use of your character's mobility and you have to put yourself at risk for every kill, but snipers are almost risk free to use. Shotguns didnt deserve to be nerfed and should be buffed along with fusions and sidearms to give them more usage.
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All this is sooooo true. Shotgun meta was annoying but it was playable, the current sniper meta its just boring and defensive. If bungie wouldn't make the ToO bounties more accessible, as they did, a lot of people wouldn't be playing ToO anymore.
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I miss rushing with shotguns and trying (and mostly failing) to wipe the team. Say what you will about shotgun users, I just find it infinitely more fun than staring down a scope all game. I don't think people realise too that shotguns are actually easier to counter than snipers. In my opinion at least.
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Shotguns are way worse then snipers. Snipers are easely avoideble, shotguns are not. They have the range of a sniper. Still after all these nerfs. Bungie should just delete them all.
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No. Just no. Snipers are the same as they've always been.
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4 RepliesI've seen a noticeable decrease in my average KD during the current meta. I used to only snipe but now, I can't even sit back and distance my self since a lot of people are rocking mid to high AA snipers and Mida's. Try and get close? TLW to the face… Oh well, shit happens lol.
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Agreed
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2 RepliesI honesty don't know why snipers complain about shotguns. You can tear threw a shotgun rusher in 0.2 seconds and have him dead before he gets a shot off by using the last word. Running the last word and a sniper is an overpowered combo that takes care of rushers and the long range kills. Snipers have no right to complain about shotgunners when they use the last word. As the sweaties say git Gud.
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6 RepliesSniper is the only viable option right now... Infusion rifles suck and and the second you kill someone with a shotgun they cry for a Nerf. Don't even start me with sidearms...
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Get rid of pvp
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2 RepliesEdited by Star Gazer2: 12/29/2015 5:08:10 AMMany people are demanding to nerf snipers, that will only make it worse because people are still over using their specials. What needs to be addressed is the special ammo. I even found this quote by Bungie who wanted to limit special weapons because they were being used too much: [quote][b]Make Special ammo a more precious resource in Crucible[/b] Further solidify Heavy ammo's role in the Crucible [b]Further improve the balance of encounters by limiting high-damage weapons[/b][/quote] That last part, "[b]Further improve the balance of encounters by limiting high-damage weapons[/b]" They believe that pvp can be balanced by limiting weapons like snipers, shotguns, and fusion rifles. Demanding to nerf these high-damage weapons will not fix this meta, but limiting their ammo will help a lot more. Show your support over the real issue. https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/182951737/0/0/1
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Lmao, snipers haven't been touched besides the reworking of final round and litc. The only reason snipers are becoming more dominant in the crucible is because they are nerfing so many primary weapon types.
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2 Replies*is using a 320 conspiracy theory LMAO
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No Land Beyond is the only sniper I like for PvP
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means...
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That's because they nerfed my Hawkmoon #bringbackhawkmoon
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Agreed. Shotguns were counter able if you weren't a retard. You can only counter a good sniper with a sniper or a superburn nade and one shot primary. Yes there are exceptions but shotty meta was better. I like trials this week, it's the only week I've gone flawless using a shotty But really it depends on your level of patience, mine is zero. Hard scope camping is effing lame and boring imo
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As long as they don't nerf mida, please keep sniping. My k/d needs the help
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Nah -blam!- the shotgun meta
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7 RepliesEdited by Star Gazer2: 12/28/2015 7:51:00 PMFunny, Back in July I claimed that this game was going to become a sniper-fest, the responses I got were: [quote]I think it's great. It's a better display of skill than blink-shotgunning.[/quote] [quote]Snipers take a LOT more skill[/quote] [quote]A bad player can make shotguns work. A bad player won't make snipers work.[/quote] [quote]I rather die by a sniper than a shotgun[/quote] [quote]I hope sniper fests are fun[/quote] [quote]Gtfo go play cod scrub[/quote] [quote]Snipers are the most balanced weapons on crucible imo.[/quote] And now look where we are, people bitching that snipers are op and unskilled, demands for nerfs, etc. I saw this coming miles away.
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I'd wish to say that there are more "snipers" in destiny's crucible but what I FIND its 1000 yard stare and her benevolence users because of that cursed noob assisting amount of headshot helper that makes a shot fired to the foot land in the noggin......
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9 RepliesWhat if I told you...their is no sniper meta, in fact beside TLW everything is actually were I needs to be.
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2 RepliesIt's not a meta. It's a problem with how special ammo is given in matches. If everyone started out with no special ammo and there was only one special ammo drop in the middle of each map there would be no problem. It would be like a match in Halo where everyone would rush to get the power weapons.
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I was blink shotgunning on my bladedancer the other day, still wrecks :)
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I just think it's funny how people constantly insist snipers are a skillful, precision weapon type. Meanwhile, everyone is body shotting because it only takes two shots. From across the map. With no threat to their life. Right, "skill."
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3 RepliesShotguns are snipers so...