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Edited by ReverentCoast:
12/6/2024 12:03:51 PM
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Weight Gate Not Fixed Not for All
5-6 months into playing the game. I am still not sure how things are supposed to work. Watching videos and reading articles reported that the rolls have been fixed for you to get the one in search of. Is focusing 99 engrams to get your roll supposed to be the intended way?
This is one weapon. I want to play the game, but not like this. This is crazy! I went into IB for the sidearm. After I do not know how many engrams, I got one with a chill clip roll. I'm not going back in. I am traumatized after that experience 😪. All jokes aside, I am not going back in.
This link shows the end of the focus for the roll. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2317341181
I came in with an open mind for RNG minus the crafting. I was wrong. While I understand this may not be everyone's experience, it is mine.
I do not think I can continue in this play style. I get it is a looter shooter. The question I have is, where is the middle ground? It used to be fun. Not so much anymore.
[Update]
Thank you all for the informative feedback. Especially the mathematicians in the feed. Because of you all, I understand it way better now. I am happy with what I got and will make those weapons work. I am looking forward to the next episode. Everyone keeps talking about the Dreadnaught. I have never experienced it, so I am excited. I am hoping this will be the Destiny release people remember and more. The story is good so far what I have played. Reading the lore helps. But I'm starting to connect the dots from D1. I will get there eventually. The Dreadnaught and Frontiers I am hoping has content towards the story and progresses it. I still want to kill Maya. Sorry, I'm getting too much into it. Thank you all for the education with the game. Soon, I will not be a blueberry.
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5 RepliesEdited by NotCreative123: 12/5/2024 7:46:11 PMIf you have a 1 in 100 chance of getting a roll, you might not get the roll you want for THOUSANDS of tries. [u]Bayes Thereom: [/u] Probability of getting roll in "n" rolls = 1 - (probability of not getting roll in "n" turns) The probability of not getting roll in "n" turns = (99/100)^n => P(n) = 1 - (99/100)^n If you roll 100 rolls, your odds of getting the item are at 63%. If you roll 200 rolls, your odds of getting the item are at 86.6%. If you roll 500 rolls, your odds of getting the item are at 99.3%. HOWEVER, you will never reach 100%. Also, EVERY TIME, you still only have a 1% chance. These are GENERALIZATIONS ONLY. Probability is weird, and it sucks EDIT: To calculate the probability of getting a certain roll, multiply the following: (Chance to get perk 1)*(chance to get perk 2)*... (chance to get perk x)*chance to get perk (x+1) For example, if I want 3 of 12 barrel perks, 2 of 6 mag perks, 1 of 8 perks, 3 of 8 perks, and 2 of 5 Masterworks, then I have a... (3/12)*(2/6)*(1/8)*(3/8)*(2/5) = 0.00156 chance of getting it. That means I have a 0.156% of getting the roll I want.
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Agree. I got alot of focused IB sidearms 150 or so, reset rank 3x. Only 1 with the air trigger/chill clip combo. Many good chill clip rolls. Maybe only 7 or 8 air trigger total, usually with adiago. Even more rare is getting the new seasonal smg to roll with jolting feedback, rarer attrition orbs. Farming hard for a few days now using tonics. Only have seen 2 attrition orb rolls drop. 4-6 jolting feedback out of maybe 80+. Since act 2 started.
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Random means you can get an item with a 25% drop rate to drop any number of times, including zero, in a given play session. Bad luck is not proof of faulty design. Some people struggle to get it to drop at all when others, like me, seem to [i]only[/i] get that perk to drop. Screenshot of my vault after grinding this thing the first two days of the event… https://imgur.com/a/9D4Oh0x
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It is what it is destiny is destiny you’ve played long enough to form your own opinion Piece of advice stay off of these forums they will ruin you and make you hate the game because it is the popular thing to do that’s what these no lifers do idk why it’s such a toxic relationship and misery loves company so play if you wanna play and just take it for what it is
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Depending on how many perks it gets in each column, weapons can have 36, 49 or 144 combinations. No matter how many times you do it, the odds are the same. So while it may not feel that way for you, with a large enough sample size you’ll see everything appearing at roughly the same frequency. But I agree it does feel terrible. You can check my Titan’s activity history to see how many times I did Vesper 1st. Got demo orbs on the velocity baton on the last run, but never got cascade bait on chill inhibitor
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I believe a version of the bug is still active, however it only becomes active if you focus and engram or have a focus active. For iron banner, I've probably focused around 60 engrams and I noticed that I kept getting the same perks over and over. I then started just claiming the engrams with out focusing them and started getting different perks. Same issue with Xur and class exotics. Last time he sold them I spend like 200 coins and kept getting the same 3 perk combos. I made a post on the help forum and a handful of other players noticed the same thing.
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3 RepliesThis is not the weightgate issue lol. If you’re struggling to get chill clip rolls at all, that means your luck is bad. Weightgate would have chill clip rolls dropping just like everything else, but specific 2-perk combos would be significantly rarer. This is far more likely that it’s just you being unlucky. A 1/36 chance doesn’t mean it’s guaranteed after 36 rolls…
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1 ReplyEdited by The Hermit IX: 12/5/2024 6:04:42 AMIB weapons wouldn’t be craftable to begin with. You’ve only played 19 matches of IB so it’s not surprising you don’t have the roll you want. You wouldn’t have 50 engrams to cash in with only 19 matches.
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2 RepliesI got loose change chill clip on my 1st or 2nd try 😊 To even see a chill clip riptide did take me a LONG time. (Like 20+ focuses)
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Took me around 35 engrams to get my first chill clip. Stopped there. I hate rng
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2 RepliesEdited by Klaus_Reaper (Adept): 12/4/2024 2:31:38 PMchill clip even tho people are crying is dropping, now tell me how many headstones archon hunters you got.
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1 ReplyMy RNG is 300% worse since the supposed "Fix"
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After 10 yrs, I’ve never had much confidence that rng was truly random. How many times has your guardian gone streaking -where you pull repeats of the same slotted item, or even the exact same thing multiple times in a row? It’s too many. For something that is supposed to be statistically improbable, to happen often, begs the question of a bugs in the system. Perkgate showed us that an underlying bug can exist on a system despite Bungie insisting no such thing is happening. The problem is the aggregate data that Bungie sees does not take into account individual streaks or flaws in the rng. I beat my head against the wall trying to get a Blast Furnace to drop with the roll I wanted. Never got one. Got many that were almost exact matches, but some perks hardly showed up at all. I don’t believe the system works like Bungie says it does.
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10 Replies6 iron banner resets about 100 engrams only obtained 3 air trigger chill clip rolls.
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[quote]5-6 months into playing the game. I am still not sure how things are supposed to work. Watching videos and reading articles reported that the rolls have been fixed for you to get the one in search of. Is focusing 99 engrams to get your roll supposed to be the intended way? This is one weapon. I want to play the game, but not like this. This is crazy! I went into IB for the sidearm. After 50 engrams, I would say. I got one with a chill clip roll. I'm not going back in. I am traumatized after that experience 😪. All jokes aside, I am not going back in. This link shows the end of the focus for the roll. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2317341181 I came in with an open mind for RNG minus the crafting. I was wrong. While I understand this may not be everyone's experience, it is mine. I do not think I can continue in this play style. I get it is a looter shooter. The question I have is, where is the middle ground? It used to be fun. Not so much anymore.[/quote] The seeding. The seeding….
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I just want the quest that is still bugged, since week 1 of this season (that they didn't make a priority for w.e reason) isn't fixed or has a target date lol. If this was some sort of bug that benefitted any type of players. It would have been patched within 24hrs or less, or w.e the thong is is disabled. Honestly, the reason I don't care much for weight gate or w.e it's called, because I always knew some sort of mechanic, whether bug or jot, was there to hinder us or make us grind more than intended or sometimes walk away after a day or 2 worth of grind and not see a light at the end of that tunnel. Their first priority should have filled the tonic and quest.
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… you mean “at all”.
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Edited by Ogma: Destroyer of Worlds: 12/4/2024 6:06:08 PMI don’t know how many I focused but I only played for the first two days of IB and I saw 4 with chill clip and 3 of them had deconstruct. I also saw the same few combos a bunch of times, and those combos were ALL 0 or 1 spaces apart on the list on light.gg. If it was fixed it doesn’t feel like it applies to these new weapons.
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I literally did like 20 with zero chill clips then got three chill clips in a row, one perfect one with air trigger, another with loose change and third with impulse amplifier. So I was done.
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1 ReplyI got multiple chill clipped rolls and i didn't even reset twice. It is rng.
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4 RepliesI don't think you understood how the weight gate worked?
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16 RepliesThis was a few months back, but I actually did the math on the RNG one time as I do a lot of sports betting. The odds of getting said "gun" at the time were the same odds as dying in a car accident...1 in 93 or about 1.08%. Let that sink in...1.08% chance.
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Honestly I think my luck is higher to win the lottery than it is to get the roll I want.
