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9/12/2024 5:22:55 PM
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Seems like it'd be the intended function since both perks work off the base magazine size Reconstruction can load up to 100% more magazine, so up to 2 Rockets Envious Assassin loads up to 200% magazine, so up to 3 Rockets Neither of these perks make those new values your base magazine size, since these are variable amounts at any given time while you're playing Something like Bipod sets your base magazine to 2, since it's a new fixed amount. If you had something like Bipod + Envious, that could get up to six Rockets Not saying they won't change it, but the perks are definitely working as they should
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  • Here’s the explanation. Cold Comfort with envious assassin. Get a kill with primary. Swap to rocket. 2 rockets in tube. Swap back, to primary, get a kill, swap back to rocket, 3 in tube (we’ll forgo the finisher for the 4th). With I’d expect the envious reconstruction, if it’s going off base, to load 3 in the tube with that same rotation. It doesn’t. Caps it at 2. I went into this expecting to get 4 in the tube easier than Cold Comfort, but it won’t go above 2. Scenario 2, cause I did both. Get 10 kills, swap, 2 in tube (from reconstruction). Get 10 more, swap to rocket, still 2 in the tube. Here the video https://youtu.be/c3OZC1y65dQ?si=fCi4Qf6SGHlVkbC4

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  • [quote]With I’d expect the envious reconstruction, if it’s going off base, to load 3 in the tube with that same rotation. It doesn’t. Caps it at 2. I went into this expecting to get 4 in the tube easier than Cold Comfort, but it won’t go above 2.[/quote] With that roll, it [b]should[/b] cap at 3 Rockets. It should not go to 4. Your base magazine size doesn't change outside of the stat screen. Anything above 1 Rocket is an adjusted magazine size(outside of Bipod), and doesn't affect further stacking for perks that also load off base magazine size Reconstruction loads to an extra 100% of your base magazine, so 2 Rockets in the tube. Envious can do up to 200% of your base, so 3 Rockets in the tube. Neither of these bonuses when applied are affecting the base magazine, they're an adjusted magazine If you truly can't get over 2 Rockets, it's possible that Reconstruction is preventing Envious from scaling up because the first adjustment gate is done without the perk. That part might be an actual bug, but loading 4 Rockets with how those perks currently work should not be possible Hope that all makes sense. Also that vid is a long walk for a drink of water lol

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  • As stated, base 1 + 1 Reconstruction = 2BR 2BR + 1 Envious = 3 BRE That’s 200% the mag size so should cap envious, but it doesn’t. Not fishing for views if that’s what you’re insinuating. Just trying to show that I know a thing or two as I’ve seen a thing or two. In an ideal world, and from what Destiny tracker says, you’d be able to get 6. 1 + 1 reconstruction. Get 6 kills, swap back have 4 loaded. Swap back to your primary get 6 kills and swap back, and swap back to have 6 loaded. Not practical at all. Just something fun.

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  • That should be a 4-rocket roll though. I was disappointed too. I feel, imo... since you have to kit for buff outside the weapon 4 rockets isn't OP.

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  • Edited by Crazy Cat Guy: 9/12/2024 5:33:21 PM
    Oh, it’s not at all practical. I just want to fire 6 rockets down range without reloading (can do 4 with cold comfort zero issues and grave robber on my Warlock’s version is silly).

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  • Edited by cryptic_king_241: 9/13/2024 11:37:09 AM
    It caps at 200% of the default mag size, as in the available ammo you have to use before a reload is needed [u][b]if you freshly spawned in or before any add-bonus-ammo perks are applied[/b][/u]. Only with bipod+envious could you get 6 to fire before a reload is needed.

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  • Right, but I’m not taking bipod as a perk that decreases damage is a wasted perk, IMHO. It’s not even going to the max if 3 in the tube with these two perks.

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  • Edited by cryptic_king_241: 9/13/2024 12:32:30 PM
    You're missing the point. Neither reconstruction nor envious permits itself to add ammo in beyond 200%. They do not stack. You can't have a bipod-envious roll anyway since both share the same slot. From my earlier post: [quote]Even though bungie says it's a known issue what really is the issue? A pair of perks not working the way some players point out it should or some players saying a pair of perks aren't working as they should.[/quote]

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  • Edited by Crazy Cat Guy: 9/13/2024 12:40:30 PM
    And you’re ignoring the facts. Cold Comfort with Envious Assassin, gets 3 in the tube (before the origin trait). Crowning Duologue gets 3 in the tube with Envious and reconstruction. It’s not taking into account the 100% Envious rocket. But instead it’s taking the reconstruction rocket and the 200% envious rocket.

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  • Edited by cryptic_king_241: 9/13/2024 11:26:28 PM
    Reconstruction is only looking for confirmation whether it has a job that can be done or not. If something else fulfilled that job for it nothing more needs to be done. Both perks work like the Overflow perk with differences in what you need. Overflow procs by getting ammo bricks, envious procs by getting weapon kills (while stowed), and reconstruction procs by getting 0 shots fired in 4 seconds. Overflow: [quote]Upon picking up Special or Heavy Ammo: Refills and Overfills the Magazine from reserves. [b][u]Overfill[/u] amount maxes out at 100% of the [u]Magazine Capacity[/u][/b]. Activates even while stowed.[/quote] Reconstruction: [quote]Every 4 seconds while not firing the weapon: Loads 10% of the Magazine Capacity (rounded up) into the Magazine from reserves. Can [b][u]overfill[/u] the Magazine up to double the [u]normal capacity[/u].[/b] Works even while stowed.[/quote] Envious: [quote]Upon readying the weapon after scoring Kills with your other Weapons: Refills and/or overfills the Magazine from reserves based on the amount of Weapon Kills scored. [b]Maximum total [u]overfill[/u] amount is 200% of the [u]Magazine Capacity[/u][/b]. Each activation can only load up to 100% of the Magazine Capacity into the magazine.[/quote] Now bipod: [quote][b][u]Increases Magazine Capacity[/u] by 1[/b] and Total Reserve Size by 5. decreases Firing Delay by 25%. Decreases Blast Radius by 30, Reload Speed by 20, and damage by 25% (also applies to Wolfpack Rounds).[/quote] All quotes from light.gg Starting ammo available is [b]normal [u]magazine capacity[/u][/b]. Perks that need proc'd to increase ammo available are [b]abnormal [u]magazine capacities[/u][/b]. At this point if you argue otherwise you're either trolling or stupid.

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  • Thank you for the explanation. I’m curious as to why an admin said they were aware of the issue and were working on it.

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  • i'm guessing is the issue is that those perks are not working when you swap loadouts. Also if you swap a piece of armor or a single mod it will reset the ammo given by bipod and recontruction. That's an annoying bug if you like to swap loadouts.

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  • Wasn’t swapping load outs.

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