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Edited by Yu7Zi:
4/7/2020 6:13:59 PM
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[VOTE] Was Destiny and Bungie Better Before the Split?
Bungie and Activision announced a split in January 2019 and fully parted ways after Season of Opulence as everyone is aware. Few months before the announcement they confirmed partnership with NetEase and a new game: Matter was leaked.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the current seasonal content we're playing isn't Bungie's priority, no matter how much Bungie lie that it is. I find it hard to believe seasonal content would take priority over:
1. Eververse
2. The big Fall/ Autumn expansion
3. Destiny 3
4. Matter
Ever since the split happened before Shadowkeep, Destiny has been abysmal top to bottom with a few possibly decent bits. Yet what sucks about the whole thing is that not everyone agreed till months later that the clearly new scummy Bungie is bad. As soon as Shadowkeep released, it was easy to tell that Destiny is in a spot it hasn't been in before where there was tons of content to do and none of it mattered (expressed by YouTubers such as Datto)
Eververse receives more content than any other area of the game. The lies such as "renewed focus on PvP" and "we don't want Trials to be half baked" have distressed a lot of the fanbase. Announcements of weapon retirement have already seen a large decrease in player count and it's only gonna go down hill from there.
So is Destiny better or worse than years previous because in my opinion, shared by many other people, Bungie are dealing with too much simultaneously and it isn't helping with player population or player engagement and it sure as hell isn't easy on the overworked team that just do what the higher ups tell them. Luke Smith did say the Annual Pass (which was great for £30 imo) was too much work on the Bungie team. Yet they went along with another one anyway.
Thoughts?
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4 RepliesThe way I see it, activision was what pushed bungie to put out more and higher quality content. No doubt it was all about the money, but it was still higher quality content. Without activision, bungie doesn’t need to answer to anyone else, so they chose to do the bare minimum required to get players to spend money.
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2 RepliesEdited by michaeljacksen: 4/8/2020 6:33:09 PMIt’s like comparing eating a [b]DEAD SKUNK[/b] vs eating a [b]DEAD SKUNK WITH SOME SALT ON IT[/b].
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2 RepliesIn the words of everyone with a brain and some reading skills have said, Activision was never the problem, BUNGIE was the Problem. Read the Contract between Bungie and Activision, it clearly stated that BUNGIE had 100% Full Creative Control over Deatiny, Activision only required Bungie to create content that was profitable and was released on time. Bungie failed and that is why Activision broke up withBungie, not Bungie breaking up with them. Bungie said they were the ones that broke up with them was just all PR speak nothing more.
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3 RepliesTo be truthful I believe that bungie’s best work was from when they were working for Microsoft. They had vast resources and a community that helped them, but sadly we all know that Bungie was tired of making halo and wanted to move on to a new project. Had Microsoft given Bungie the chance to make Destiny and not focus’d solely on halo, it would of been the game they truly envisioned and not this mess that partnering up with the devil gave us. I blame Microsoft for hampering a studio with vision and Bungie for being “COMPLETE FUGTARDS” for joining Activision.
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62 RepliesDestiny 1 was so -blam!-in perfect 🍆 ✊💦Oh -blam!- it was so -blam!-in good 🍆 🍆🍆✊✊✊🍆🍆💦💦💦💦
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5 RepliesThere shouldn’t have been a D2 to begin with
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5 RepliesEdited by xS0LIDERx: 4/9/2020 9:46:46 PMActivision is the devil. D1 would have been better then any destiny to date. But Activision said redo it so it makes more micro transactions. And the did this without alot of time to get it polished before launch. Activision is the devil
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7 RepliesY’all would rather go back to D2 Y1 vs right now?
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Edited by Pr0t0Zer0: 4/9/2020 5:37:46 PMFor all its faults i cant imagine activision wouldve greenlit weapon retirement as theyd know it would affect player engagement. And stability of the game has gone downhill. So manymore bugs and disconnects.
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1 ReplyDestiny was better....Not Bungie. They simply had someone to answer to. Now they are answering to someone who wants another project for their money and this one has no focus.
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2 RepliesIt wouldn't have mattered either way. Activision wasn't forcing Bungie to shift focus to Eververse. That was all Bungie. Not sure why Activision (even though they are a horrible, greedy company) takes the fall while Bungie gets off like a saint. If anyone doubts developers ability to control Activisions involvement in their games, look at Sekiro. Developer by From Software, published by Activision, plenty of opportunity for microtransactions, not a single one.
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1 ReplyActivision made Bungie work for that money, now they don’t need to. They can just get your money via eververse.
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My favorite parts of destiny are strikes, raids, and special events. I'd rather get 1-3 strikes, a new raid or endgame activity (like menagire or escalation protocol), and something like the spooky forest or dawning. I don't care about stuff like sundial, or vex offensive. And grinding them for 3 months gets old. Plus if you miss a story mission you can never play it. I wasn't able to save saint 14 so now I never get that chance. I'd much prefer a curse of Osiris, warmind, dark below, or house of wolves over getting crap like season of worthy. And apparently bungie can only make stuff like that with activison breathing down their neck.
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1 ReplyIt is clear worse, but let's be honest, D2 hasn't even lived up to D1. The hype and PR train fro this game and the FOMO it somehow creates is mind boggeling
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1 ReplyIt was better when it was still in conception.
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1 ReplyI was so happy when the split was announced. Now I'm starting to hate the game I love. The seasonal fomo content is just absolutely awful. I hope it changes.
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2 RepliesSome don’t realize the 100 mil from Netease went towards 164 mil they paid activision to resume rights to destiny this is why we have $10 bargain bin seasons fastest way to pay their debt
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So, is it just me or is bungie being lazy and just bringing back old gear from either year1 or destiny 1? I mean, what’s the point of destiny 2 if we’re just using stuff from before, lol? Durrr? Bungie stupid?
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Of course. They we playing with other people’s money. And utilizing the vast resources Activision made available to them. Now Bungie is exposed for what they are...
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Edited by Tru-Zrue: 4/9/2020 10:26:16 AMI'll say this, bungie had time to bullshit because of the man power and funding before the split. With no one looking over their shoulder now they're like "whatever...whatever I do what I want!" Now they have to keep the lights on with limited manpower...and they are dropping the ball because something or someone (s) aren't keeping them on track OR the devs are on different projects....who knows. No big brother to get them out of trouble. All of the mistakes are on them. That's why in the streams leading up to shadowkeep they kept saying "... It's just us". Letting players know there could be (definitely are) some complacations. It's look like they are limited in time with seasons and are out of ideas....yet they're still throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. These seasons could be used to fix or update what we have instead of making new stuff. Update EP, vendors, menagerie, etc.
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Edited by an Ape with a d2 addiction: 4/9/2020 9:17:02 AMTook a year for folks to forget that everse was worse with activision. It was designed then as the infinite RNG lootbox slotmachine with how random engrams for silver worked and were the forefront. I'll rag on bungo for lotta things, but they immediately started moving away from that predatory RMT design post-activision split and have since pretty much completely moved from that to direct purchases. That at least has my respect. Doesn't excuse the sorry state the game's in right now, but activision driven monetization methods were far worse than what we have now. Never forget that.
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Activision was not good, but they were better than Bungie’s new Overload.
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Yes however I wouldn't say for sure that it was because Activision was still their publisher, we've had garbage DLC and overall years before this could just be one of them, if Y4 is an absolute steaming pile of trash then bungie was better with Activision, if it's actually good it was probably just a bad year for the game, again.
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Where is the no difference option?
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6 RepliesNo it wasn’t better. People think it’s worse because they had high expectations. This is more of the same and that is a let down, but it’s not worse.
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Servers are certainly worst along with cheat problems on PC. That's for sure..... I wouldn't say about activities but most of people said there are no reasons to do it unless you're trying to go for a Triumph seal. So....yeah. I actually miss the old days now.
