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8/16/2019 7:06:44 PM
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For clarity, I'm not attempting to bash anyone, and I certainly don't take it as you trying to bash me. It is, however, important to point out that on a forum like this, there is no point in posting a neutral point. No one can engage with a simple opinion. That is what the upvote and downvote buttons are for. Actual posts and replies aren't just opinions but concrete points that can be discussed objectively. While everyone is certainly allowed to have their opinions, in a setting like this simply expressing one without concrete information is unhelpful and takes up space for actual discussion. I understand differences in perspective, which is why this isn't personal to me.
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It's fair to say you take things a bit seriously. Not at all, an insult. That was intended to show respect. Everything on here, outside of TWaB, is opinion. Even in the TWaB, it's their opinions of how the game should be. All this poster did was inform them, why he will be leaving. I understand the need for concrete and fluent discussions, that progress the game. People telling us why they are leaving, is just as important. It wasn't a childish rant. That's all I'm trying to get at.
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I never said it was a childish rant. I said it was a neutral opinion that can't be engaged with, and therefore there is no point in posting it. To my point, none of these replies have been actually about the game. To put it simply, his post added nothing to the conversation that a downvote wouldn't have, and thus it is a waste of space. And yes, I have been told before that I take things pretty seriously. I am on the spectrum, so my communication is not always the best. If my intentions have been misinterpreted, I apologize.
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Absolutely no reason to apologize. My "childish rant" statement was meant as...."hey this person wasn't immature". I believe everyone should be heard. Not everyone should be listened to tho. I'm not even trying to defend this person...I'm more of offering insight. I see these kinda posts daily...both yours and theirs alike. Bungie needs to know both why we play, and why we don't play. If a poster can show restraint and post his displeasure in a manner like he did ...I see no reason for anyone to disagree with that. They can disagree with his reasons....by not with expressing his reasons..
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I agree with you for the most part about Bungie needing to hear our feedback. And I understand that you are defending more of a philosophical position versus an individual or the actual post. Everyone indeed should be heard. However, just because someone has something to say does not mean that it is useful or should be said. Feedback needs to be at least partially substantial or, as I have said, it becomes a waste of space. It is important to call people out on this because excess and unneeded noise directly interferes with Bungie's ability to hear real feedback and make requested changes. For example, this post has become one of the longest posts in the feed, but nothing productive for the game has been stated. Opinions should definitely be expressed, but they need to be expressed through the appropriate channels.
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Only thing we prolly won't see eye to eye on ( and this is okay ) is what would be considered appropriate feedback/channels. Bungie has been outspoken about wanting feedback, and needing feedback. They asked us to tell them, how we feel....why we play and why we don't play. The forums are a perfect place for that interaction. I do 100% agree that the distraction provides nothing. I share your sentiment. I do wish to have more meaningful discussions. The disconnect comes with what "we" feel is meaningful, or not. See...I actually believe his post did some good. It may have distracted us from the subject at hand...but we got to interact. We just had a meaningful discussion, but not about the game. Anyways, I think we've rambled on enough. Each reply reiterates the fact this post brought nothing to the actual discussion....haha...so good day sir. I honestly look forward to future interactions
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👍 Perfectly fine with differing opinions. At the very least thanks for being relaxed. Some people get too angry when being challenged.
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Geezus you guys.... get a room.
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Don't worry cupcake...this is why I made it a point that I'm not defending you. Even if I agree with the "I'm tired of waiting" sentiment.
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On serious note though, when ShadowKeep drops and everyone hates it, I'll be back to look for more director's cut blog.
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Oh, I'm not preordering, or buying ShadowKeep off the bat. They lost that trust long ago. I'll just simply wait for the guys that I play with on a regular basis....tell me wasup. I'll treat ShadowKeep, like I did Anthem. I won't hate on it, but I won't praise it. I reckon it's the "only time will tell" approach.
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That's wise indeed. I'm a bit floored that after years of Bungie repeating the identical lines before EVERY DLC/expansion, "We're listening","..a step in the right direction", "...this is going to change everything..." etc. fans still fall for it. They've mastered leveraging empty buzzwords towards sales. I think the apologists want to believe in the company and franchise so bad, it has polarized the forum discourse beyond edification. Luke worked on this game for 9 years and has less of a clue now than he did when he first began. Anyone reading in between the lines of the Director's Cut understands Bungie are the musicians playing music as the Titanic goes down. BTW you're great at debating.
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This post is a step in the right direction for actual constructive feedback, but it’s not quite there yet. How would you suggest they do it differently? They are one of the most responsive studios that are currently active. The game has exponentially improved since launch because they’ve listened and changed things. In fact, power creep is currently a problem because Year 1 felt too under powered. Everyone should at least be able to admit that nothing can ever be perfect, so it makes perfect sense to keep using phrases like “a step in the right direction” etc. I still stand by original point. You may find the game unenjoyable and that’s ok. But without specifics we really can’t debate anything, in which case your post could be simplified to a downvote.
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I'm only speaking with @Shatterday.
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And yet you are posting publicly.
