Luna/NF nerf: After waiting a few days for the initial knee-jerk reaction and frustration to wear off, I am trying to look at this as objectively as possible. Should they be nerfed? No, at least not as you want them. There are deeper underlying problems within the game that need to be addressed and have been prevalent for months and years. One of the biggest ones: bloom and recoil issues for hand cannons. This is a non-issue for PC players, so this nerf really only applies to console users (which I am one of). The reason Luna/NF are so dominant in the Crucible is because there aren’t really any other viable options to use to be “competitive.” That being said, there are a handful that have the playing potential to out-perform the Pinnacle hand cannons, but because of recoil issues and bloom (basically overall consistency with HC’s), it’s very punishing if your bullet RNG isn’t in your favor. Weapons that can compete: -Ace of Spades [with memento mori] -Kindled Orchid (with specific roles i.e. kill clip+rampage) -Service Revolver (Rapid hit+kill clip). While I do admit that these weapons are extremely powerful, as they should be, they are not the end all be all of the crucible; just because you equip these weapons doesn’t magically turn you into Super Mario. I have out-played guardians with Luna/NF using other weapon combinations, but I have also been outplayed using the very same pinnacle weapons. I know this is an unpopular opinion, but sometimes you have to employ some skill and logic to how you play and what you play with. Back in Season 4 when I started my Competitive grind, I had to adjust my play style and my weapon choices drastically so that I had a chance to counteract those that had already acquired Luna/NF. As for the issue of 2-tapping from Luna/NF being reasoning for nerfing Magnificent Howl? Yeah that’s a joke and such a bs answer, as this is such a rare occurrence and outlier to the VAST majority of kills people get with these weapons. Some suggestions that I have seen and heard from other people, friends, and content creators, are: -FIX bloom and recoil on console! This would drastically change the weapon dynamic for console users, and probably fix the very issue you are attempting to do by nerfing Luna/NF. -Change Magnificent Howl to only work on precision damage. In your own words, since aiming for the head is something players do naturally…..why would you change it to work on body damage only? -Change the Luna’s to 150 RPM as you intend, but keep NF where it is and make it an exotic. This way the lower tier/average guardians can mix things up and more variety is available. By keeping NF as it is, you are still giving the hardcore people that still want to chase it some incentive to do so, but it also will require changes in their loadouts once it is an exotic (no more dust rock-NF-wardriff). When there is literally zero benefit for quickly hitting 3 precision headshots from these weapons once they’re 150 RPM …then what is the point in using them? Here’s essentially the bottom line for you Bungie: Those players (myself included) that have spent dozens to hundreds of hours in Competitive and work my ass off to acquire the pinnacle weapons, this is a slap in the face to your dedicated PvP player base. The ONLY reason most people still play Competitive is because they are reaching for that coveted weapon. Since it requires tremendous skill and time invested to acquire, players at the top tier of the crucible (a.k.a. Legend) should be rewarded for their efforts. I’m not necessarily saying that these weapons will become worthless post-nerf (though I highly suspect it), you’re taking away everything that was special about them. I really don’t understand why you’re announcing this change now, over 6 months since the weapons have been released. I believe there are far more serious and pertinent issues involving Sandbox changes that you should be focusing on, and not just taking the easy route and nerfing something yet again. Play test it more (ACTUALLY PLAY TEST IT), get more feedback, consider some alternatives to what you are currently proposing, and then (and only then) you can implement changes to these weapons. This is a dangerous and slippery slope Bungie; if you start with this, how long until the Recluse gets nerfed? Then what about Ace of Spades? The Last Word? The list goes on. Without fixing the underlying problems, eventually we’ll all be back in Year 1 of Destiny 2, where nothing hits hard and everyone just goes back to playing passively, lane-camping, and running around in a massive pack to get kills. Simply nerfing weapons because casual players don’t have the time or skill to invest in getting them isn’t the answer. Remember what happened the last time you catered to casuals? It was called vanilla D2. Please avoid that at all costs.

Side note, I’ve never seen so many locked posts for no legitimate reason

Your ninjas are ruining the forums. They keep locking posts. Revoke spawns and o eriena o ninja status.

How about giving the non-cheaters also a fair chance on getting these guns. Most people who have the guns used region routers, did matchmaking freezing, ddossed or got it by recovs. The match making in comp is messed up because of recovs, solos vs teams, resets every season and the 5500 cap. It is the worst and most frustrating game type in the game. Just make Redrix like quest for these guns. They are in game for a while now and like I said most people who have it cheated! Stop rewarding cheaters and reward dedicated fair playing players too. In my opinion to stop cheating create 2 ways on getting weapons like these. First way is a quick way by skill the second way is a long grind with like 5 valor resets and hand cannon kills and hand cannon head shot kills and a certain amount of wins in comp.

This week at Bungie: Everyone is -blam!-ing quitting and the game is DEAD!!!!! Yay... Bungie is FAILING!!!!

Nerf yourselves. Your dumb decision making is too OP for this entire game. Stop calling them pinnacle weapons if all you’re going to do is shit on them when the crybabies won’t invest time to get them. Pinnacle gives people a reason to grind for them, but now since your forcing an entire archetype change I won’t waste my time grinding for next seasons pinnacles. Just a waste of time

The message is pretty clear from you guys. Which is, don't bother knocking yourself out to get a pinnacle weapon, because it's going to get nerfed. Anyone who has Recluse, get ready. You are going to be next. Enjoy it while you can.

I will first start with this is my opinion the the Nerf.. ( I play on Pc ) and i do respect everyones opinion so please respect mine. I don't see the problem with Luna and NF, that they are so insanely strong as people state around here. I got my Luna the other day after countless of hours played solo que and hard work, then i mean hard work, tho i grinded after the last few quest step's during this lame Rivalry event that messed up Comp so badly. I'm really happy that i finally got my hands on Luna's Howl, but i have to state that, even tho i havnt used it yet, the weapon isnt that OP as you assume, I've met ton's of Luna / NF players during my grind, and i was only using handcannons like Ace and Trust, and sometimes i went to Thorn too, and man.. Even these 3 Handcannons can easly shred Luna's / NF.. More or less every weapon can outgun the Luna / NF, let's say as an example; and Average/casual player is using Luna / NF, and end's up playing against a high skill player that is using, MidnightCoop or Better Devils ( since you don't see them that much anymore ) the high skilled player will still dominate the one with Luna / NF. And second of all, they are Pinnacle weapons for the love of GOD! they are supposed to be the dominant weapon, they are weapons that are earned by massive grind and frustration. Only because majority or minority of the player base complains about the weapons cus they get shredded by them since they are only doing PvP for the weekly, dailies and bounties, and start to complain that the pinnacle weapons are too strong, if they are so strong (sorry for the language) but then get your damn head out of your ass and grind for that weapon your self... So in short, i don't see the reason to screw over the pinnacle weapons and slap the hardworking pvp players in the face! Thanks for reading!

I am not a very good Crucible player and don't enjoy it most days because of that. I have gotten killed by Luna's Howl and Not Forgotten many times. While I think the people that have those weapons should be playing Comp instead of dominating my Quickplay game, I think it is [b]ridiculous[/b] to nerf these weapons. They should be rewards suitable for the grind and challenge they are. If you want to address the advantage, make them unable to equip in Quickplay. I don't think that is even necessary though because when a player that is capable of getting one of those guns goes against me and others like me it doesn't matter what weapon they use.

WTF don't suppressor grenades work on any of the arc subclasses????? Why do you idiots constantly pick and chose what is the "overpowered" guns, subclasses and exotics then why you want to change you nerf them into the ground???? YOu are truly the biggest group of idiots ever. I would honestly like the money and time back that I invested into this lame ass, no vision, boring, repetitive, waste of a game. I would ask you to fix it but first of all you idiots created that and second of all you idiots take so long to change anything it will be years and that assumes you actually wouldn't turn around and ruin it worse. Lost cause. waste of a game

Yet another reason to NOT play this game. It's incredulous how bad decision making is at this company. It's like your balance team is completely unaware of how the game is actually played and is always focusing on the minutia rather than the big picture. For example the first nerf to nova warp; the initial hit was EXTREMELY severe and later rectified. My first point here is that the sub class tree was punished out of viability completely with this change and anyone who liked to play nova warp was ostensibly forced to play a different class. This hurt snipers the most which is a complaint on an even deeper level but as to not digress I won't get into that too much right now. The bigger picture here being other supers were simply just as strong as nova warp if not stronger at the time. Prime contenders being sentinal shield roaming super and nightstalker blades roaming super. The problems with sentinal shield is the blocking, and i don't mention arcstrider simply because the verticality of the super is much much worse, and when you can simply negate ALL incoming damage just by holding a button there are gamebreaking repercussions like checkmate scenarios when it comes to super v super or in my favorite, COMPETITIVE countdown. I won't talk about nightstalker since it's on the list to be nerfed (-blam!-ing of course). But honestly, the biggest problems I have with supers isn't their killing potential or how long they -blam!-ing last, it's how HOW HARD they are to god damn kill. Why doesn't a carefully aimed sniper headshot kill someone in their super, it's extremely hard to hit someone moving so fast in the head. As a matter of fact you're most likely going to hit someone in their super with a body shot from a sniper and how much damage does that do? Around 47. That's FOUR -blam!-ing sniper shots to kill someone in their super. That's double the amount it should really take. So instead of looking at the game as a whole and how overpowered supers are AS A WHOLE, instead Bungie decides to make ONE SINGLE SUPER unusable and feel like shit to play. This is exactly what they're doing with these handcannons. Instead of looking at the big picture and trying to get most handcannons on equal footing within their class and also competitive with god forsaken pulse rifles they're just making these particular hand cannons obsolete and throwing them in the trash. So if anyone that loved these handcannons still feels like playing this dumpster fire game and wants to use a handcannon there will be only ONE choice and that's ace.

Lmao, now y’all are making destiny tracker not post the numbers of players logging on..... OUCH!!

Everybody’s on about NF and Luna at least you’ve got to still aim and hit precision shots how bout the stupidest gun they’ve ever put in the game. A so called fusion rifle which is more like a mini rocket launcher that has tracking even if shoot from the hip!!! Now that’s a problem Bungie!!!!!!

is it 100 percent safe that bungie will nerf them or can we something against it?i dont want them to do that because i‘ve sweated my ass of to get the not forgotten...i play since destiny 1 beta, i have thrown my money against my monitor, i love this game but if they will really nerf this gun i don‘t know if i am donf with bungie...how can a gamecompany like bungie do this to their community?they have other bigger things to fix in the game and not nerfing this reward for pvp players....

LMAO GREAT job bungo you have officially killed the player base. People work their asses off for these and you nerf them. Game is dead 😭

Still waiting for the Vex in the Tangled Shore....