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Edited by a_dmg04:
9/19/2018 12:03:40 AM
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Gambit - Sleeper Simulant (Updated 9/18/18)
Hey all,
We’re aware of reports that Sleeper Simulant feels strong in Gambit. The Sandbox team is currently looking at potential changes to help with this. We want to retain the strength of the weapon, but tune it so it doesn’t feel to be the only viable power weapon in this mode.
We’ll provide more details when possible. Stay tuned to official channels for updates.
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37 RepliesGot to laugh at those still saying its not OP..... If it's not OP why is it what 99% of invaders use? A lot of the time you're dead within 1 second! The guy hasn't even finished saying the invader is here and you're dead. Stupid. Over Shield, highlighted players, Sleeper.... I despise anyone who uses that gun.
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5 RepliesOk not sure what you think y’all fixed but Sleeper Simulant is still %100 breaking gambit game mode. It’s still a cross map one shot kill that takes no skill. The slower charge rate didn’t do anything to fix this and they can still see us through walls to time shots which a child can do (and children do constantly all day in gambit). Gambit is currently broken and needs to have SS removed. Period. It’s a one shot to you when your invading as well. Check the statistics of win ratios for teams with more than one sleeper being ran. I guarantee you it’s over %80 and I’m sorry Bungie but a gun shouldn’t almost mean your for sure going to win. Skill should. Fix this please.
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Nerf that shit to the ground
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Edited by Tygichi: 9/27/2018 11:05:19 PMNo nerf heavy drops in general in gambit. If the same invader rushes the portal 6 times with sleeper ammo that's the problem. Leave the gun alone.
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I honestly think melting point and ep shotgun is as big of a problem
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2 RepliesBungie: “Too much sleeper you say?” (Creates gambit fusion bounty) “That should fix it.”
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A lot of people who complain about Sleeper Simulant never bothered to get the weapon themselves. So they sit there and complain. There are people who have the weapon and try to use something else to have fun but end up getting mapped by the very weapon they wish not to use. I used to be the same way. I never bothered to grind the long time to get Sleeper until a few days ago, and to be frank i absolutely love the weapon. It feels like it was worth the 20 or so hours i put into grinding for it. Before people say that I have no skill, I reached Mythic 3 before i got Sleeper. I only got Legend rank today after 6 games with Sleeper. So I've been through all the ranks (except Legend) without Sleeper. Ive wiped teams witj my Trials Sniper, Distant Relation and a few other guns. Grind for the gun if you haven't yet. Its worth the grind.
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3 Repliesalot of noobs crying about Sleeper
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It should be disabled specifically for Gambit until you tweak its overuse in that game mode alone. Mida multi-tool, Crimson, any exotic Sniper rifle with extremely high aim assist, I've never seen any weapon be is over used as Sleeper Simulant is in Gambit. Too many teams and individuals are relying on this weapon to wipe out the enemy team in 3 seconds, that to me is inexcusable. I'd also like to throw my hat in here by saying that there should be a barrier in the spawning zone that prevents anybody from any team to camp snipe the others with either a sniper rifle or Sleeper Simulant. But main point disable that gun, it doesn't have to be disabled for regular Crucible use, but at least it should be disabled for this game mode specifically until you guys decide what you want to do with it.
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2 RepliesWhat you should look into is the range shotguns have.
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Until u patch can u just black list gun makes gambit no fun, iv had to start using it just to try and get kills its not good
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Again just ban it from all PvP modes problem solved make it a pve only weapon.
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9 RepliesJust please leave gambit and the sleeper stimulant alone. There is nothing wrong with gambit only players. 1. Sleeper has ALWAYS been a one hit to everything in crucible. There’s no reason to use it otherwise. 2. There are better options than the sleeper: Queenbreakers bow Man’O’ War Crooked fang + 1 more linear fusion I can’t name. Tracking rocket They have 40-50% the charge time that a sleeper has.... I’ve killed tons of sleeper wielding clan stacks in gambit invading with my legendary linears’. One of the last games I played I wiped ~60 notes in a single invasion all within 5-6 seconds while they where trying to bank motes. All headshots with my legendary linear fusion. You don’t need or require a sleeper. Invading is just fine as it is. You should not feel “safe” when someone invaded. If you are lollygaging around you deserve to die. When sleeper first became ultra prevalent, my team just started dropping Titan bubbles every time we were invaded and just waited until he left. Eventually we backed invaded hunters and started racking up mad headshot and rocket kills against sleeper users. Git gud and stop complaining. As you can see from my collections I don’t have a sleeper in D2. Just too lazy to do the quest. Same with acrius.
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9 RepliesRemove the body damage to do 150-170 per hit but place that debuffed damage in the precision. Skills are suppose to make weapons deadly not grinding for a few hours. Formulas for not dying from 1 hits Rockets-dodge Snipers-move alot Shotgun-keep ranged Fusion rifle-juke Linear rifles- dodge/juke Sleeper stimulant- ? Hide? Peekshot? Everything is suppose to have a counter or weak point. you can justify it by team shot or "shoot them first" when it comes down to it. The invader is already OP. Ability to see where the team is and the overshield. Along with the use of a radar. Enemies dont get in the way. It is stacked to help the invader win a 4v1. On top of that, the enemies are banging on you the whole time. So, please explain why this weapon is needed to be this OP in gambit people who are defending this nerf?
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32 RepliesIf you use the sleeper in gambit to invade. you’re automatically trash just saying.
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When will you guys ever learn to stop screwing up the game because of one mode, namely PVP. Just lock the damn guns out that are too OP plain and simple. It's like beating your head against the wall or we're speaking different languages. After 4 years there's just no reason to keep doing this. You have all the makings of a good game and you're continually ruining it with nonsense
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2 RepliesWhen is that gun getting -blam!-in thanos snapped out the game im against nerfs but at this point F**K that gun
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1 ReplyI'll be honest. It's just the same as the stupid Graviton meta. And with all due respect.. If I invade, use Dawnblade and still get one-shot by sleeper. Then it is an issue. You take into consideration that I have an improved over-sheild, an top of the normal over-sheild and I am in my super which also grants increased damage resistance and still die in one hit to the body? That makes all that damage resistance useless. I don't personally care whether it is nerfed or not.. I don't like Gambit anyways. I only suffer through because I am forced to for exotic quests. Other than that, I see no reason to play it.
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Everyone who uses the sleeper to invade are trash and will always be trash. Just putting facts out there...
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Not once have I complained about the weapons people use, but as soon as the so called best players in the world start getting done by something there up in arms, stop bowing down to these stuck up my own b/side # top players
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42 RepliesMost people defending sleeper are trash in pvp, just saying.
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Btw the escalation shotty should be in the heavy
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Nerf effective range. Tha aim assist isnt the problem. It's the fact you can 1 body shot people from literally the opposite side of the map
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Edited by MindfulPizza: 9/27/2018 12:11:41 PMfound out can use a satellight isp connections to play game and standby games. on peer to peer. against cable and fiber users, dls maybe. when we get dedicated severs ?
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I dont think the weapon is the main problem. The problem is Gambit itself. It need some reworking. It’s too easy to abuse some weapon not just the sleeper. Team stacking is also a huge issues and dont even get me started on that quest locked behind the bad RNG. It need some fixing for both playerbase. Not just the elitist kind that is ruining this game !
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11 RepliesI say leave it, they can keep it. Queen breaker puts the sleeper to sleep. 300 charge time, 1 shot kill to the head or 2 to the body (600 charge time) not to mention it blinds on hits. Works great for groups that are practically hugging each other. May not be one body shot. But still kills fast even if you only land body hits.
