This game was obviously not made for PvP. PvP was probably a after thought

I guess I have to quit. I know this is a sensitive topic for Destiny2 players, veterans and newcomers allike. But this is an issue and bungie should try to solve it... and it is solvable. I won't get 25 headshot kills with a handcanon in crucible against people who are sweaty as hell, use shotguns, scouts, snipers or anything else more powerful and since there is some story after getting the ace... and the ornament i got from preorderring, I feel cheated on. I felt bad einough for ruinning 3 or 4 Gambit matches for my other Teammates by allways running to my campingspot as soon as the possibility of an invader was there. Now that I took a look at crucible and saw that mayham, I think it is time for me to give up. Great idea to lock a preorderbonus behind a really hard PvP queststep. And yes, I get it, it should not be easy... but i feel like it should be achievable for everyone who might have preorderred and who is interrested in the story. I read here on this thread that the ending of that quest is worth it.... so I guess it is really good. But that brings me to think that the Gambit and then PvP precision kills with a handcanon are a bit too hard for something that is so important to everyone, good and bad player alike. I don't mind if they lock any other exotic behint something like that, as long as we don't get a situation where ppl won't be accepted into raids because of not having it. But locking story and a preorder ornament behind a task as monumental as this seems not really like the best idea. I payed.. and i feel like something was now stolen. And to all those who now write "git gud" belkow this, note the following: If i am among the bottom 5% of players in terms of skill with a handcanon, even if I practice and improve, I won't Improve fast einough to keep up with all the other players improving. Everyone has a different learning curve for different weapons. The handcanon is good, but many weapons in many situations are better and the chances of me getting better at a handcanon faster than someone who as a higher learning curve and a better weapon are just 0%, sorry to break your bubble there. Math does not lie. And if you want to bring the argument that 250 headshots in a strike are maybe hard or annoying too, I have to remind you that while you improve, AI enemies won't do that too and not at a faster rate than you. Or go with a Destiny2 example and thiink about going into a lost sector: For every 10 lightlevels you will gain, the enemies will gain 11. If you start even or just a little bit below an enemie, you will make it. But if you start at 100 and the enemie already is at 150, you will only make it when yu max out. The problem just is, every player maxes out on a different level of skill... so some will never get high einough to even deal any damage to the enemy. If you want a comparison to Dark Souls: PvE: Normal Darksouls experience. PvP: Imagine every Darksouls Boss be controlled by another player. That is a challenge only very few will overcome. The ones that are really really good and the ones who are realy really lucky. Don't hide something prepayed and some important story behind something that hard. This will keep many players from ever experiencing it at all. So please. make it any other exotic other than a gun that everyone has such strong feelings about and where a story and a prepayed ornament is attached to. This is a rather bad desicion. Not for maybe 80 or 90% of the playerbase, but with your playerbase, 10-20% of those people are still a huge amount of people. People who payed for the game, its story and the ornament. It is bad desicion to keep them from experiencing the full story. And I don't expecti it to become easy or quick and I don't ask bungie to just hand it to me. But I ask for a challenge, that is possible to achieve for everyone for something that core to the game and the story. I ask for a way to experience it without having to play crucible for half a year and nothing else to maybe get it.... or maybe not. Hope someone understands the point I'm trying to make here. To whomever writes "git gud" below this, you don't and maybe did not even read the whole thing. I can not do more than present facts and numbers. And so far, the facts are that there is a special weapon with a preorder ornament and story to it locked behind something, many players won't ever see... and I think that needs a little fixing. I don't dare to give any sugestions because I'll first of all get blasted by "this is way too easy" answers and I am no gamedesigner. I am just a player... probably a bad one at that as many willl probably call me. So please bungie, keep focusing on the players that are really good in this game, but please don't forget the less skilled ones and hide story and things they payed for behind a battle they can not win. If any bungie employee takes the time to read all this... first: Hi Second: I think i am making a valid point. Please run the numbers and variables yourself if you are not sure. I don't think it was a mistake that you locked the Ace behind something hard, it is how you did it and what you connected to that gun. Make such a quest for anything else, then it works fine since I get that not everyone should have every gun instantly or sometimes at all. But please think about that you connected important story and a preorder ornament to this specific gun and tell me if it is a good and fair idea, to make it for some players not possible to get. I am not looking for noobfriendly stuf, you had your problems with that. I'm only asking for noob inclusive story... that you don't lock story behind a wall that not everyone can overcome in his playtime since the wall keeps getting higher at a higher rate than slow people can increase their speed ad climbing it. If you made it until here, thanks for reading and sorry for the bunch of spellingmistakes I probably made. And I hope I can later that month or so come back and see an achievable way to see the rest of the story of our beloved Cayde-6 and the ornament of the Ace of Spades applyed to the gun in my hands. Edit: I actually stopped playing when i wrote this only taking a look each week to see if they changed it... Other than that bungie made me so sad with that choice, that i don't have fun playing d2 anymore because i always have to that parts of the story are forever lost on me.... and that i'll ptobably never experience this story fully myself unless i find a workaround... so yeah... thanks bungie... you runied destiny 2 and the whole story for me :( I really loved the game... even if i made fun of the bugs and glitches... i still at heart lovet the story and lore, not caring how gringy it sometimes was... but now you took story away from me and many other players.. and that is not okay. Bungie, please think about what i wrote and change something.. if you even read it...

Bungie, stop making us play PvP for quests ffs. inb4 the elitist d-bags. Oops too late.

I’m crap at crucible/gambit. I’ve gotten 2 invader kills in 2 matches. No don’t change it. I’ll get them. Leave the quest as it is.

Just cheese it. Message the other team and offer to trade invasion kills. That's what I did.

This forcing people to screw their team over so you can get 5 head shot kills is just plain STUPID. Bungie, you need to re-think this stuff. If you had put this in Crucible, that's fine - But not in Gambit.

[quote]So first off, I’m not thinking about winning or motes, I need these 5 kills of invaders with a hand cannon so as soon as I hear we are invaded, that’s all I care about. Secondly, a lot of invaders just hang back with sleeper or whisper. Also you can’t see them unless they are in plain site and they can see me at all times. I’m meant to close the gap with a hand cannon how? Thirdly, they also get an overshield. Stupid. Quest. Requirement. It just isn’t fun and I’m not worried at all about helping my team win, I just want these 5 kills. ——————————————- *edit* After a couple hours I had one kill. Problem was most invaders were using sleeper which is an easy one hit kill. That along with having an over shield and using other more powerful weapons or my team mates getting the kill instead with sleeper or finishing off my work, it was really dragging. Then in one game I just spawn camped one invasion spot (and didn’t bother with our prime evil) and lucky for me they kept spawning there with me behind them. The invaders were obviously even worse than me. I’d grenade their overshield and crimson them. Ended up getting 4 in one game to finish it off. It’s made me horribly bored of Gambit. Is that really how they want people to play to do these quests? Just like I kept leaving crucible over solstice if there wasn’t enough time for another super when I needed super kills or when I needed my 5 wins, if my team was doing really badly, again, I’d just leave. I’ll get my 25 head shots in crucible ok, but yuck, hated that Gambit bit. [spoiler]Moderator edit: This thread has been moved to #Feedback forum so that other Destiny players can weigh in.  [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/139533839/0/0] See Cozmo's thread here[/url] for more information about the #Feedback tag and its uses. Feel free to private message the moderator who moved your post, link to topic for further clarification about why this topic was moved.[/spoiler][/quote] Yes its stupid and it sucks big time. Disappointed that I'll never get the most relevant gun in the game. Sucks hard. I just got kicked/banned from gambit while writing this post. Thanks Bungie...F off.

Locking the creepy shard hand cannon behind crucible, sure, but seriously, cayde's gun is a physical object. Unless (I've deliberately not finished the story yet, I'm taking my time with this...) the gun is clearly and deliberately destroyed at the end of the story, there's a limit to the "reasonability" behind a tedious quest in the first place. Looking at what Cayde's gun is, sure, I can see it's pretty strong for "no quest at all", but dragging people who probably don't want to play pvp, into pvp, isn't a great idea... People can pretend all they like, the numbers are public and clear as sun light, PVP is not what even half of he people play this game for. If that many people deliberately avoid that part of the game, you shouldn't force them to play it unless the weapon, like thorn, was specifically designed for crucible but pretty well useless for PVE events.

Not that hard. I hate gambit and literally in 2 games I got it done. Would have been 1 but my whole team left like 3/4 into gambit