Like everybody else, I experience an abundance of team shooting and hand holding throughout Crucible. But there's ways to counter that. And I haven't had much experience with solo q'ing in D2, thankfully. Personally, my only real gripe at the moment is respawning. It's pretty apparent Bungie geared D2's PvP towards an arena shooter, so in my opinion, respawn timers should be increased for supremacy/control [i]objective [/i] based game types. Often I find myself engaging in a gun fight and taking out 1/2 enemies, make a push to recover their fallen crests and I'm already getting tagged by a scout rifle by the very two people I just killed. Increasing the time to respawn from (3?) to 5 [i]could[/i] make the gameplay flow a little better regarding those two game types. I could also just be crazy... Other than that, enjoying the 4v4, smaller maps, primary gun fights and less ability spam and clutter that was in D1 haha!

I don't think it's so bad soloing. If you see a group of teammates go one way then you can flank and catch someone who is focused another direction. I played 4 games yesterday and only lost one. I don't see what the problem is. Didn't take all that long to find a game either. Destiny pvp is still easy compared to other games.

I solo queue and still have fun. I've just accepted the fact that teamshooting is the only way to be competitive in D2. Do I like that? No. But, it is what it is. I sometimes go off on my own anyways. Getting a hero play 1v3 occasionally more than makes up for the getting teamshot repeatedly if you don't care about meaningless vide game stats

This is the best sum up of d2 pvp yet. It basically is rawdogg your teammate and bukake noobs to win. Skeet skeet everyone gets a turn. RIP #solo players. Pro Tip: Die last so you get that juicy teabag train experience.

Agreed 100%. I get stuck playing premade 4 man teams and get wiped because they literally camp one end of the map and team fire. No fun. Individual skill means shit now.

I have no problem with 4v4, and I almost always play solo

I have to sorta disagree. It can be difficult as a solo queue, but most of the time I'm solo, and still do decent. 2 different ways of playing solo, imo. 1. Upon spawn/respawn, find and follow a teammate. Definitely easier, when communicating, but totally doable without. Pick someone, and treat them, for a lack of a better word, as a human shield. Maintain s slight bit of distance, then just shoot over their shoulder. Basic team shooting, minus the team. 2. The way I prefer the most. FLANKING ROAMER. This will only truly work with the combination of good map sense and competent radar use. Keep to the edges of the crucible maps. If you keep at least one side of yourself to the direction of the edge, you know, no one will be shooting you from that direction, minimizing the shooting lanes you need to be aware of. Then simply work on FLANKING, coming from behind or the side of your enemies. Best case scenario, your enemy is solely focused on killing your teammates, an you can sneak up behind and sandwich them, or at least coming from the side, eliminate some of their cover options. D2 crucible, is still quite different. But true skill is the ability to adjust your play style depending on what changes have occurred. This isn't 1984, guardians aren't super computers playing tic tac toe, and the statement, "The only winning move, is not to play," doesn't apply. In fact playing, learning the maps, using your radar, and constantly getting back into the action; either sneakily, or using a non grouped guardian as a human shield, is the new path of the lone wolf, for D2 crucible. One last bit, getting crushed over and over can be a bit discouraging, but eyes up guardian. It's just a game, and losing can still complete some milestones/challenges. As well as land you the occasional exotic. So try and stick with it. Good hunting to you Guardians!

Relax give it time to adjust and develop new strategy. Compared to a good match in D1, D2 PvP is not as fun because there are fewer people and supers recharge much slower but that might be good in the long run. I am not very good at PvP and I don't like it very much but consider when the enemy team stays as a group you can wipe them out with a super or a rocket. A joke from another game: "The enemy has us surrounded... now they can't get away!" Also find better weapons that suit you and this kind of game mode. eg. Hand Cannons are not the best option because of the fire rate. I did better with ARs, fast fire SRs and sidearms also stick to kinetic because there is damage reduction but instead of reloading switch weapons. That said even after doing better against full pre-made teams I still don't like the 4v4 and only play it for the loot.

Agreed

It's called a FIRETEAM what the whole game is based around So go get one and FIRE at the other TEAM Jeez

You can play with people without actually being in a furetean, you're aware right? Like you stay generally near their blue for on your radar, and then if they are getting shot you can help and shoot back. Just a helpful tip

D2 Crucible is complete garbage. I do very good and still just don't enjoy it. And for everyone who is complaining about D1, you must have just been bad.

The crucible community is adjusting. I'm far from "sweaty" but do very well in crucible so far. It sucked going up against players that were lvl 280 in the first 6 hrs of the game, but since then it's been leveling out. Started a control match winning 35-8 with randoms... It's like Gears of War now (onyx rank tdm in that). Demands more cooperation....and a cooperative player base!!

I'm playing PVP only for the milestones and have been having more fun and a much better K/D than I did in D1. I'm 90% Solo as of now and are there games wy team get wrecked, yes, but it doesn't seem to be that big an issue.