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8/30/2017 12:11:26 AM
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Auto Aim has no place in PVP on PC. It completely diminishes the experience, and it must be removed.

[i]I know it's long, but please read my post before you respond. Even if you disagree with me, we're on the same side; We all want this game to be as awesome as possible.[/i] I am [b]NOT[/b] saying that: - I'm salty because I'm getting totally stomped by controller users. - People shouldn't be allowed to use controllers. - Controller users are console player trash and are innately inferior to members of the PC Master Race. - I don't understand why Auto Aim is in the game at all and it should be removed entirely. I [b]AM[/b] saying that: - [b]PVP with an uneven playing field [i]feels bad[/i]. [/b]Not only does it make it more frustrating to lose ([i]"I only lost because Bungie gives controller users free aimbots"[/i]) it [b]devalues winning[/b] ([i]"I can't be sure if we won because I'm awesome, or because the other three players on my team are playing with controllers"[/i]). - [b]It opens another vector for cheating.[/b] We're already seeing this with players who plug in controllers to add the aim assist to their M+KB play. You're going to have your hands full with people trying to cheat [i]as it is[/i], even if you find a way to track and ban this behavior it's going to be a constant game of cat-and-mouse as people continually discover ways to abuse the aimbot you yourselves added to the game. Why not avoid this headache altogether by disabling it in PVP? - [b]People will take PVP less seriously[/b] knowing there are sanctioned aimbots among the playerbase, and it will irreparably damage not only the engagement of your most ardent players (the competitively-minded who will stick it out between PVE releases) but if you have designs on making this an Esport, you can kiss those goodbye. The jokes at the expense of your game will be [i]torrential[/i]. I will say that [b]I have no issue with Auto Aim existing in PVE[/b]. If it makes peoples' experience better with their control method of choice, I totally get it and I think it should be kept in the game. [b]This just doesn't make sense when applied to PVP, though[/b]. It's less fun than it could be, for everyone involved. It's gotta go. Speaking as a core gamer, I [i]want [/i]to sink a bunch of time into getting good at the PVP in this game. But if it's cheapened in this way, the simple fact is I'm going to get bored and frustrated, and go back to one of the many FPSes already available which actually presents a legitimately competitive experience. Thanks for reading.

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  • At the same time they can ban the use of MandK on consoles.

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    • I personally hate AA on console as well. Beyond annoying I miss a headshot cause my reticle dragged to the left or right cause someone ran in front of the person I was aiming at.

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    • a good pc player without auto-aim will make even the best console player with auto-aim look stupid... this is a non-issue in my eyes. The actual problem will be people that find ways to trick the game client into thinking you are using a controller, but instead have a mouse and keyboard. If the auto aim was unfair it would be controller players pwning with the handcannon... hint... its not.

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    • No mouse and keyboard on console and you have a deal whiney.

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    • Im fine with this as long as using XiM os banned from ANY DECIVE playing Destiny

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      • Bungie should get rid off [url]http://xim.tech/[/url] and other such devices allowing the use of keyboard and mouse on the consoles if you are for availability for all users than. People have been using them for 3 year already.

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        • I see people time and again failing to read the issue with Aim Assist on PC. It's not about KB/M vs Controller Or being mad about a Controller user killing you It's about the fact that you can fool every game to think you use a controller, thus enabling AA when you in fact use a KB/M. That way you get both the AA and the agility and precision of the KB/M setup. This alone cause a imbalance between Controllers, the ones who exploit this and those who just user a regular KB/M setup with no AA exploitation. It's not fun for anyone, it ruins the competitiveness of the game and makes it so either you exploit like the rest or get crushed or put at a heavy disadvantage in it's current state. The way I see it you have 3 ways to "fix" this: Axe it completely. Allow AA only in PvE. Leave it as it is. [spoiler]bonus 4th is allowing it for unranked and removing it from competitive matches [/spoiler] Tuning down AA wont do anything either, the small advantage gain is still a gain too much.

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          • You do realize you still have to hit your shots with a controller bad aim is bad aim doesn't matter what device your using to shoot.

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          • On that AA note , please, take off Auto-Aim for weapons designed or are in use of armor-piercing rounds/lasers. Or at least make it an option... or reduce Auto-Aim to zero with those perks... I dunno. I just hate auto aim with those weapons. I mean... c'mon game. Of course I'm not aiming in the most 'advantageous' part of my closest enemy... I wanna kill five enemies with a Celestial GG shot or a Sleeper shot. Yes, I know a Thrall ran across my screen... but now instead of two potentially dead Ogres I have a dead thrall and a sleeper shot wasted. It just consistently hits somewhere not so perfect to where you actually aimed (along with the more substancial trouble of actually aiming where you want to), and it defeats an effective purpose for those types of perks/weapons.

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          • The AA in Destiny in perfect in PVP and PVE!!! STOP If you don't wont AA, go play couter-strike! :p

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          • Destiny is a PVE game in first place, with a casual PvP experience, people forget that or haven't even played D1. Get over it, or just play other competitive shooters if you want. They will definitely not remove AA for controllers and thats a good thing!

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            • [b]The thing with Aim Assist on PC (and actually on console too) is that if it's available for one input method, it'll be available for all. There is no way around that. Just like that there is no way to block people from using keyboard + mouse on a PS4. The issue at hand is, that Aim Assist for users playing with a mouse, pretty much equals a mild Aimbot. There is literally little need for people to make hacks for this game with how strong it is.[/b] [i]Case in point, I bothered to map my Steamcontroller to a "Controller" using "a software version of a XIM". I'm really really bad with controllers mind you, I only use them for Dark Souls, Fighting games, some platformers and splitscreen racing games. I just went into Destiny 2 with it and man, it felt like I hardly had to do anything anymore. Any handcanon, swipe till aiming over a enemies model (or close) and shoot away. Ended up keyboard moving and "playing mouse" with the steam controller in my right hand and while I was running into walls all the time, I killed so many more people, it was like I had a 250% damage modifier switched on.[/i] There is no way to keep people from using controller specific assistances. GET RID OF AIM ASSIST PLEASE

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            • Give controller users aimbot. I will still face roll them, just like in the beta. Who the hell uses controller anyway on PC? Even with aimbot, mouse and keyboard are way better.

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            • There seem to be two options here. 1. Ruin the pvp experience for everyone on PC by trying to make a controller viable in PC pvp for the 0.0001% of players who would actually use that OR 2. Slightly inconvenience said 0.0001% by making them use a mouse and keyboard to be viable in PC pvp and it's a great experience for the other 99.9999% of players. Feels like it should be pretty obvious.

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              • Edited by SoundDriver: 8/31/2017 2:36:24 PM
                AA is a PC no go; clouds/obscures potential hacks IMO. I've seen them all in various games too O.O I never use AA with or without a controller regardless as it seems to mess with me - I get picky sometimes and don't appreciate the reticle jumping to someplace other than where I say to go. I'll continue to play PvP regardless as I potentially suck at it eternal thus K:D doesn't bother me - I simply want that damn loot. Cha-ching... Regardless of my direction, empathize with the original post author of this thread in that AA could potentially harm some of the appeal PvP might otherwise possess. I thought Aim-bot was abbreviated as AB not AA or did I get it wrong ;-) Take it easy guardians.

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              • My PC got fried in a flood I had the other day, KCMO got hit with a averagely bad storm. I haven't even played the pc beta yet and I probably won't be able to... Is the aim assist for the controller plug and play really that high?

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                • I like playing with the controller in most games but i agree that they need to remove or minimize the effect of aim assist by a lot in PvP on PC. I wish they did it on some console games as well by adding a competitive mode without aim assist or a lot less aim assist.

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                • I think its too early to freak out about controllers, inevitably your skill with a KBM with trump a controller user especially in a competitive setting. Remember the good ole SBMM that will sort things out accordingly ;)

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                • How do you people know you're getting beaten by controller users?

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                • U should be thankful u getting destiny on pc. All you people know mouse and keyboard are worthless and they take no skill to use.

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                • There wasn't a problem with people plugging in MnK to the Xbox or Playstation in D1, they had aim assist (DrLupo did it I think) and it didn't make that big of a difference. And the so called auto aim isn't an aimbot or anything, it doesn't aim for you it's just a little bit more "stickiness" to the head of your opponent (thats why it is called Aim ASSIST not auto aim). PC players will keep crying about it cause they always said they were so much better then Console players and are now realizing that you can play really good with a controller. #PCMASTERRACE

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                  • Edited by banacheckfps: 8/31/2017 12:23:41 PM
                    Aimbot? There are no aimbots on console this one comment shows the stupidity, go and play something like Paragon right now. And you'll soon see the master race in action, over half of them are hopeless this isn't a joke. Obviously this person has not got a clue what aim assist is, there is also different types of aim assist that dev's use. Also aim assist shouldn't be on Console or PC players can play fine without it on console, not only that guns in Destiny especially sinpers had extra aim assist built into its stats. 100% agree take it out on both console & PC, but if you think it makes players better that not really true. Also aim assist can mess you up big time your shooting someone someone else runs past that your aim mess up, as the aim assist locks on for a second or two to the person running past.

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                    • Its a really tiny difference. You do notice it and I'm sure really good console players can dominate with aim assist. I think it should be disabled in Competitive modes. I don't know if Bungie can lock out controllers for game modes?

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                    • Apparently MnK on PC also has some of that shite built-in, bad netcode, giant hitboxes or just all combined... Again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5lBVsbbnT0

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                    • To recap - you aren't as good with a mouse as you thought you'd be - mouse has obvious inherent advantages, such as built in ZERO RECOIL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUKq9YUb7xc&feature=youtu.be - other verteran PC players are really good with a mouse and recoil-free guns will make some CS and Quake vets VERY good in the crucible - someone discovers an exploit that relies on a $150 extra that's incredible rare in the community - it's not you, clearly there are huge swaths of people using XIM.. lol

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                      • use a controller for pvp? or just play pve with k/b mouse... or like me enjoy both for their value - sniping with mouse, acrobatic gunfights CQ with controller with seamless transitions

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