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Edited by JuiceAKAJBizz: 12/26/2016 7:19:59 PM
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Shotguns are NOT OP! You are DUMB! (Edit lol)

1. Speed and maneuverability of classes w certain exotics/abilities make shotguns seem op but they are not. 2. Players are really good at out smarting, out maneuvering, or out playing u. 3. Your map awareness or map positioning is a great way to get killed by shotgun and just blame the gun. 4. Being predictable and not moving around make it really easy for shotgunner to close distance. 5. A lot of Primary weapons are weak and need buff but their are still primary weapons that can kill a shotgunner with ease. 6. High Impact Sidearms hit for 60 or 61 a headshot and have great in air accuracy to kill shotgunners. 7. Fusions rifles can kill shotgunners if timed right. Especially Saladin's Vigil- The "Matador" of fusion rifles. 8. Grenades can block of entry ways to help u from being rushed. Fusions grenades can kill shotgun rushers w ease. 9. If u are sniping u are vulnerable to shotguns. The Last Word is so good for killing shotgunners. Best way to kill a shotgunner is a shotgun, sidearm, or fusion rifle and when sniping u can't use them. That's why the NLB is so good. It also has great in air accuracy for sniper, which is crazy, great scope, low zoom, no flinch, can be used in close ranges, and u can clip reload animation. 10. Stay close to teammates and teamshot. I could go on but shotguns are not OP. Low and medium impact shotguns just aren't as good and they need a magazine, inventory, and/or range buff. Why use a low impact shotgun when it takes 2 shots, most of the time, to kill and it holds pretty much the same amount of ammo. Read more below ***** Please feel free to add comments. Matador isn't op...it's just other shotguns aren't as good. Duh... Edit- The range on Matador shotgun is the same as any other max range (32) shotgun. The thing that makes it awesome is aggressive ballistics, which adds impact and doesn't hurt range. It hits for 23, instead of 22, each pellet and shotguns have 11 pellets. I guess u can kinda say it has better range cause u can shoot from father away cause of increased damage, but max range has always been 32, and u can get that max range on lots of shotguns. *****They pretty much need to buff Medium and low impact shotguns by giving them a special perk or increase total ammo u can carry and/or increase magazine size as well. Give them increased handling too, so they can switch and ready shotgun faster. This will give incentive to use. As of now low and medium shotguns can't really kill in one shot and they carry same amounts of ammo except for the comedian and winters end.***** Fusions are as good as shotguns, they just require timing the charge which makes them harder to use, but if u master them they are amazing, especially Saladin's Vigil- pretty much the "Matador" of fusions. Sidearms are great. In air accuracy and the best arctype (iron wreath-D) hits for 60 hp a headshot! Iron wreath-D or trespasser is pretty much the "Matador" of sidearms. Snipers are what they are suppose to be now. Get wrecked when hardscoping and being predictable. Good when u are stealthy, scope in quick, and shoot. No Land Beyond is pretty much the "Matador" of snipers. No flinch is huge and u can equip a sidearm or shotgun w it. Great scope and in air accuracy as well lol. Edit 2- Don't forget to bump or upvote...thx for replies So much Salt lol...SHOTGUNS ARE NOT OP...please re-read if u don't understand. Edit 3- Snipers just don't understand unless u use last word or grasp/clever dragon when u snipe that u are really vulnerable to shotguns. Map awareness and positioning are key. Especially when playing objectives like control, rift, salvage, revive gameplay, etc. players can close distance with cover near objectives or if u have to revive. Sidearms, fusions, and snipers are just as good as shotguns. Just gotta understand on certain areas of map shotgunners can close distance n kill u b4 most primary weapons can kill them, that's y NLB is awesome. U can have a fusion, sidearm, or a shotgun to kill shotgunners.
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  • Bump for fun!

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  • In b4 salty butt hurt snipers

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    • How many idiots aren't going to read this post will be sad. Instead of crying nerf learn to adjust and how to counter.

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    • OP is shotgun scrub confirmed.

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      • You think shotgunning is hard? Try getting outgunned by you [REDACTED] shotgunners every time you charge your fusion rifle, [REDACTED][REDACTED] Oh, by the way, I have transcended out of a shotgun crutch. You should too.

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        • Guy calls everyone on the forums dumb. Nothing happens. I call some one a nerd once and get banned for seven days.

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          • Edited by Spicy HOT Sploog: 12/16/2016 12:32:38 AM
            This is why I stopped playing PvP ages ago, nobody's willing to admit there's a problem. Everyone just defends their crutch and the phrase "git gud" is the answer to everything. I got bored running around like a chicken with my head cut off spamming my Party Crasher +1 and Clever Dragon because they never get nerfed.

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            • This is the most ignorant post I have seen.

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              • I want to die looking at this post

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                • I use ONLY Snipers and Hand Cannons, and I still say Shotguns aren't OP. Primaries just suck.

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                  • How to fix shotguns: Max range shotguns are now the lowest impact class. Lowest range shotguns are now the highest impact class. OHK is still possible, but you need to stick it directly in their face. Honestly, should have been this way since the beginning. Shotguns followed the same "RoF/ impact" scenario as other weapons but it should have followed an "impact/range" dynamic.

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                  • i agree with you. good points. bump

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                    • People can close the gap waaaay to close in this game and then just shoot you once with a shotgun and you're dead. I do it too but honestly it's pretty bad. Most of the time you can't kill shotgunner in time if they rush you unless they're running in a straight line.

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                      • People would take you more seriously if you weren't so bad

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                        • No you're right shotguns are not OP they're dumb.

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                          • I just want to mention a couple of your points work against you. My issues with shotguns is titans. Titan skating with jug and max range shotgun is as close op and destiny gets these days. People dont know what op is anymore. People dont remember how many 2 tap weapons there used to be. Titan mobility is just a bit ridiculous to me. Highest armor strongest melee and fastest mobility with a sheild on top even can have mid air lunge that can make them faster/even harder to hit. I was amazed they nerfed gunslinger for having the "highest k/d" but haven't really tweaked titans to bring them inline with others. And people always say oh hunters have more agility!! Agility is meaningless in destiny. If you have good gunskill it a hunters agility doesnt do anything especially with the op aspect for warlock which is actually better then bladedancers quickdraw since it effect reload on all your weapons no need to swaping armor to get your faster reloads. I feel like titan skating is more of an issue then shotguns. Reduce there crazy mobility and maybe it wont so bad with the shotgun warriors

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                            • Matador makes shotguns seem OP, but they aren't. :S

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                              • Lol shotgun warriors saying it takes "skill" to close the gap. Snipers where outplaying you guys and we still nerfed them because players where actually good. Shotguns in any game will never take skill.

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                                • Edited by CrestedEBIN: 12/17/2016 12:10:26 PM
                                  Some Shotguns have too much range .. There are 4 that can be used : Last ditch 001 Party crasher +1 Matador 64 Conspiracy theory -D If you don't have one of these 4 you will loose 90% of shotgun battles. This is a fact and BS at the same time .. One archetype shouldn't nullify EVERY other type . If you think this then your not very analytical or extremely biased . Take the range off of shotguns snipers and things would be fine . Ps. Curtain cal 44 from crucible can contest too .. so 5 total current OP shotties

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                                  • Just buff primaries

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                                    • Edited by yungblockburna: 12/17/2016 11:51:54 PM
                                      If i get killed by a shotgun I know I deserved it or could have prevented it

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                                      • Shotguns are definitely an issue right now regardless of they are op or not. And most of my kills are from shotguns. A big part of the problem is that most other guns can't really compare to shotguns time to kill. The other issue is class movement ability and exotics/abilities that add to this. No matter how good you are you will not be able to kill a shot gunner in close range unless you use a shotgun. Fusions take to long to charge and snipers are trash now.

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                                      • Don't buff other shotguns. Just buff primaries. People will actually use stuff if it's good.

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                                      • Has more kills what shotguns and fusions, asked for shotgun buff, says snipers are in a good place. Lol

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                                        • Your a great person, god bless you!

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                                          • Shotguns don't kill people, people kill people. Therefore, the people using shotguns are the problem.

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