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originally posted in:Liberty Hub
9/9/2016 4:53:43 AM
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I've said it a million times before, and I'll say it again:
[spoiler]What is your point.[/spoiler]
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Everybody else seems to understand the point I'm making.
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Really? I've seen plenty of posts where you replied with "You've ignored my reasoning." "You've ignored my reasoning." "You've ignored my reasoning." Maybe it's because your reasoning is BS to some people, don't you think?
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[quote]Maybe it's because your reasoning is BS to some people, don't you think?[/quote] Maybe it's because people are quick to jump to conclusions. "You're equating theft with assault." No I'm not. "The crimes aren't similar." They aren't supposed to be. "I can kill somebody who punches me?" That isn't my reasoning.
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[quote][quote]Maybe it's because your reasoning is BS to some people, don't you think?[/quote] Maybe it's because people are quick to jump to conclusions. "You're equating theft with assault." No I'm not. "The crimes aren't similar." They aren't supposed to be. "I can kill somebody who punches me?" That isn't my reasoning.[/quote] [quote][i]I certainly can. It's still my property.[/i] [i]It's my property, and time doesn't change that.[/i] The response to a crime does not have to become less severe over time. [u]His right to life isn't magically restored over time.[/u] [i]There's no logical basis for that[/i].[/quote] So you are comparing the theft of a non-sentient object, to the taking of an innocent person's life. Fantastic. I couldn't care less, if we weren't talking about morals. The [i]only[/i] way that these would make any sense together is if we're talking about slavery. But we aren't. So I don't even know why you decide to utter them in the same thread, together. Life is not property that someone owns. We don't own life, but gives [i]us[/i] life. It is the [i]only[/i] reason for why we eat, sleep, work, and argue non-stop, and this little "discussion" you started is doing literally nothing to put any damn brakes on this Political-Moral Train.
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[quote]So you are comparing the theft of a non-sentient object, to the taking of an innocent person's life. Fantastic. I couldn't care less, if we weren't talking about morals.[/quote] Again, the crimes aren't supposed to be similar. [i]That isn't the point.[/i] [quote]The only way that these would make any sense together is if we're talking about slavery. But we aren't. So I don't even know why you decide to utter them in the same thread, together.[/quote] A reasonable response to a crime does not deteriorate over time. Taking the bike back doesn't become too extreme after a length of time. Killing a person doesn't become to extreme after a length of time. Furthermore, you're just engaging in sophistry - a slew of non-arguments. [quote]Life is not property that someone owns. We don't own life, but gives us life.[/quote] Wrong. We have ownership of our lives and our bodies. Your second sentence makes no sense. [quote]It is the only reason for why we eat, sleep, work, and argue non-stop, and this little "discussion" you started is doing literally nothing to put any damn brakes on this Political-Moral Train.[/quote] Not an argument.
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[quote]Again, the crimes aren't supposed to be similar. [i]That isn't the point.[/i][/quote] Then why the hell are you comparing them? [quote]A reasonable response to a crime does not deteriorate over time. Taking the bike back doesn't become too extreme after a length of time. Killing a person doesn't become to extreme after a length of time. Furthermore, you're just engaging in sophistry - a slew of non-arguments.[/quote] I'm only speaking what's on my mind. If a "slew of non-arguments" is on my mind, I'll speak it. [quote]Wrong. We have ownership of our lives and our bodies. Your second sentence makes no sense.[/quote] Correct me if I'm wrong, but what made what: Life made us, or we made Life? [quote]Not an argument.[/quote] How so? You should at [i]least[/i] be able to explain [i]that[/i].
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[quote]Then why the hell are you comparing them?[/quote] I'm comparing the validity of reasonable responses to the crimes over time. [quote]I'm only speaking what's on my mind. If a "slew of non-arguments" is on my mind, I'll speak it.[/quote] If you're only going to engage in sophistry, then this isn't the place. [quote]Correct me if I'm wrong, but what made what: Life made us, or we made Life?[/quote] The simple fact is that we own our lives, our bodies, our speech, and our labor. Simply owning your body is enough to own your life. [quote]How so? You should at least be able to explain that.[/quote] I've put forth my reasoning and my argument. If you're going to rebut it, you have to offer a counterpoint. Part of that is linking your counterpoint to my point. You should be able to explain your argument.
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[quote]I'm comparing the validity of reasonable responses to the crimes over time.[/quote] Okay, but you're comparing the validity of taking [i]back[/i] a bike, and the taking of a human life. Still two [i]completely[/i] different things. [quote]If you're only going to engage in sophistry, then this isn't the place.[/quote] To you. To me, however, this isn't just some bull snot that I thought up. [quote]The simple fact is that we own our lives, our bodies, our speech, and our labor. Simply owning your body is enough to own your life.[/quote] Sure, you may own your body. Plausible. But the point is that life is still such a mystery to human beings, that no one can determine how it [i]truly[/i] came to be. "But Venom, your body is your life." Do you realize that some people believe in an afterlife? Another one of life's mysteries. So unless you can prove those things, you can't prove that the lifespan of your body is the entirety of your actual life. [quote]I've put forth my reasoning and my argument. If you're going to rebut it, you have to offer a counterpoint. Part of that is linking your counterpoint to my point. You should be able to explain your argument.[/quote] You basically just ignored [i]my[/i] reasoning, and attempted to use [i]my[/i] argument against me. You originally put forth a "counterarguement" with no evidence to support it, and you accuse [i]me[/i], of all people, for [i]your[/i] lack of proof.
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[quote]Okay, but you're comparing the validity of taking back a bike, and the taking of a human life. Still two completely different things.[/quote] The punishments aren't mean to be similar, just as the crimes aren't meant to be similar. The fact that they are reasonable responses to the crimes is what is relevant. [quote]To you. To me, however, this isn't just some bull snot that I thought up.[/quote] More arguments. Less sophistry. [quote]Sure, you may own your body. Plausible. But the point is that life is still such a mystery to human beings, that no one can determine how it truly came to be. "But Venom, your body is your life." Do you realize that some people believe in an afterlife? Another one of life's mysteries. So unless you can prove those things, you can't prove that the lifespan of your body is the entirety of your actual life.[/quote] You own your mortal life. It's your property, and you exercise sole rightful authority over it. The belief in an afterlife doesn't grant the ownership of your body to somebody else. [quote]You basically just ignored my reasoning, and attempted to use my argument against me. You originally put forth a "counterarguement" with no evidence to support it, and you accuse me, of all people, for your lack of proof.[/quote] You haven't made an argument aside from, "Those things aren't similar," which is completely irrelevant point. Evidence to support what? My reasoning is right there.
