Speaking from a relatively new players perspective, I haven't done any raids to date and I've only been playing for a few months. I would probably suck at kings fall my first time around. However, as long as people have mics it shouldn't be much of a problem

A lack of support from older Guardians who are not willing to run people through or help them with raids. Which is why we have a large group of untested new guardians who are still stumbling on them.

I don't mind playing with inexperienced players. Honestly there are way more inexperienced players in this game than experienced. So maybe that's what you're seeing. ~[i]TheGreatNike[/i]

it's because people like you call them terrible rather than helping

People can ask you why after 2 years are you still terrible at Crucible? Works both ways you know.

King's Fall is designed in such a way that you are progressively learning mechanics with each encounter. The culmination of this is the Oryx fight. People have issues with the last bit of the raid, because they have not adequately learned what came before. In the court, the team learns about timing (and communication of said timing). You need to grab the tomb husks and slam them within a small window of each other. This seems simple, but there are many small nuances here that people often miss. For example, if you are in the centre, before clearing adds try clearing the top doors on both sides. How does this help in the Oryx encounter? Does "3,2,1 bombs" sound familiar, because it should. The jumping puzzles teach platforming, which is needed to be the runner...why can't people run at daughters/Oryx? Because they haven't gotten good enough at platforming. Totems teach teamwork, mobility and the importance of add control. If you have a hard time sniping your knight at Oryx, you need to practice this more. Warpriest teaches you about holding plates and plate order: I.E "Plate 1 up" etc. You also learn about having an aura here. Golgoroth was supposed to teach you about target prioritization. The "one orb strat" was actually an adaptation of the community. The raid devs intended for us to bounce between the orbs. This encounter was supposed to teach you how to quickly pick out a target and take it out quickly . I.E. Take down first orb, DPS Golgoroth, take gaze, drop second orb, etc. In the oryx encounter, this would be used to rapidly take out the ogres and knights. [b]Cheesing this encounter is one of the major reasons people struggle with Oryx.[/b] Daughters teach you the arena, plate jumping and aura of immortality. As for Oryx, the only new mechanics are the shade and meteor. The shade you learn about in the story, and the meteors are just about staying mobile. So to answer your questions, the reason people don't know how to do the raid is because they haven't fully learned the mechanics on the prior raid encounters. They have a general idea, but lack the practice and don't know the small nuances that make the encounter go smooth. P.S. Using numbers as opposed to plates for Daughters teaches how numbers works - this is not required, but will make Oryx easier. It is just a good habit to get into.

You want to know why? Because stuck up dicks like you don't bother to help us learn or even try help us through a raid. So get off your high and might throne and teach people if you are so good.

I have a hard time with said jumping platforms at Daughter/Oryx because I can't see very well through the black and white, clouded screen. This is a legitimate answer that I hope people consider before criticizing others. Thank you.

Ran the raid with 3 new people last week. did oryx first run. All it takes is a good team captain. Thanks to my buddy "talk poop" i was able to carry 3 people through this. I'm sure you're good and know how to do the raid but you are seriously the worst person to raid with. I'm always able to help new people.

People are "bad" for some very obvious reasons. You claim you aren't trying to be mean, but usually when you have to tell people that you aren't trying to be mean, that's exactly what you are doing. Any intelligent person would figure this out without needing it explained to them in a thread. Not the least if which: 1) They're bad at the game 2) They aren't trying 3) They have a hard time comprehending the mechanics 4) They haven't done the raid before, or have only done it a couple of times. 5) They aren't good at jumping 6) No one is willing to calmly explain mechanics to them. Take your pick or even add a few reasons of your own. Glad I could help remove the mystery for you.

Why are people still terrible at PvP? All you do is press a button faster then the other person [spoiler]-_____-[/spoiler]

Why are you still terrible at crucible? [spoiler]Now see what a dick you're being?[/spoiler]

I'm not trying to hate on you man but surely you can't be that closed minded and self righteous that you don't understand that not everyone has the same time ,motivation , intelligence or skill as you or many others have . The reason there are people that still can't do it is simply because everyone is different . Surely you aren't so closed minded to believe otherwise . I'm genuinely "befuddled" that you don't understand that . Like I say man I'm not trying to hate on you dude but your post really comes over as completely self righteous.

Im befuddled by your PvP stats, not trying to be mean.

Took 5 months off, came back expecting people to hate cuz I was 320... max when I left. So I finally got I to a raid group and boy people are absolutely garbage. People dying and struggling at 333 335 are embarrassing. I miss the old clan for sure, now it seems everyone "thinks" they are good but in reality are casual at best.