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Edited by Glessner2062:
11/5/2015 11:38:48 PM
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WHY THE NO KNIGHT STRATEGY IS GARBAGE
Ok so if you aren't going to read my opinion on why this strategy is garbage or comment with hateful replies then leave this page now. I want to hear of why you guys believe this strategy is bad or good and your experiences but these are the reason I think this strategy is horrible.
1. The ogres will crush the relic runner.
My team mates and I always get crushed by the ogres when we don't kill them. I bet most of you fellow runners have gotten the brand stealer buff and died on the "slamming animation" because of the ogres. I sure have many times. Killing the ogres fixes this problem and the relic runner should not die.
2. You do not have to stand on the daughters' platforms.
Again, the ogres come into play here. Someone always (usually hunters) cannot make the jump from the four platforms to the daughters platform and usually gets killed by the ogres or the ship because they try to go up the middle. Killing ogres allows everyone to go middle like in normal mode.
3. The bombs will be easier to detonate at the same time.
Simultaneous detonation is crucial to doing max damage to Oryx and killing him in four runs. The no knight strategy causes the ogres to scramble and makes it harder for the people detonating the bombs. Some ogres will be close, some will be far. It's all RNG but it's RNG I would rather not deal with.
4. THE KNIGHTS YOU HAVE TO KILL ARE RED BAR HEALTH.
Like guys cmon they aren't even elites. 2 shots in the head with a 300 sniper would kill them. It's that easy. This is the one that makes me so upset because people complain about killing a red bar health enemy. If you can't kill a red bar health enemy than why play a hard mode raid? Seriously someone please answer this in the comments with an educational response.
These are my four reasons why no knight strategy is worthless. Let's hear what you guys think or have to say, remember no salt in this thread.
Edit: Thank you guys/gals so much for your feedback! I love to hear about how everyone does the raid differently even if it's just slightly different than the way I do it! Let's see if anyone else has any comments/suggestions
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1 ReplyHM relic runner here. I very rarely die to ogres. Also you have to kill the vessel which is a yellow bar enemy.
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I'm not going to say your wrong on all of these points because I've had teams that were better at the normal strat. Personally as a runner, I never have issues with the ogres and I main a hunter. The jumping to the platforms fails, are people that don't main hunters. An experienced hunter will have no issues jumping to the platforms. As long as you have 1 bubble Titan on the sisters platform, there shouldn't be fatalities.
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Both strats work. I prefer killing everything just makes the fight cleaner. Seems like no knight is for low light level and for people who like to be carried and not shoot their guns they grinded for. No knights does make for some funny wipes though. Seen relic runner with 2 ogres and vessel pinning him in so that he couldnt run or jump out of the triangle hold of death. As for easy...if your over 310 the whole encounter is easy. Just kill everything.
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No knight strat is much easier. All you need is one defender Titan and another designated DPS man. You assign 3 players a position 1, 2, or 3. Also, you obviously need a runner. These numbers assigned are which totem they will jump on. One jumps on with the runner, 2 follows, etc.... Those on the totem don't focus on the ogres at all, they hide and only let the DPSers do damage to the ogres. Once the jumper has relic everyone jumps up to sister platforms from their totem, and then you flinch oryx, finish ogres and then give a count down to when to be in your blight. Guy with Aura drops down to middle everyone meets. Repeat. It's very simple. I've completed it with under leveled and incompetent people. It's almost impossible to mess up. As far as the runner struggles, idk. I run regularly and have only been killed by ogres once. Maybe they need to be quicker.
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I always run relic for our team and have been killed by ogres maybe once or twice out of about 9 runs. I run with all three classes as well. I've only missed the jump from one of the platforms to the deathsinger platforms once. It's tougher as a hunter and only an issue if the ogres are focused on you while making those jumps. Never a problem with Titan or warlock. I've done both strategies. The no knight strat gives more room for error. Otherwise it really just depends on the team.
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It's easy dnt Understand why people having trouble with it
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It's all about the team you are with.
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If you can't make the jump to the daughters platform from your platform, then you shouldn't be doing the raid period. If you can't hide from the ogres or evade them, you shouldn't be doing the raid period. If your team can't kill all 4 ogres at the same time while on top of the daughters platform, yall shouldn't be doing the raid period. IF YOU GUYS ARE DYING WHILE HAVING TO DEAL WITH VERY LITTLE ADS, YOU SHOULDN'T BE PLAYING THE GAME PERIOD. And yes, I've done it the original way as well. I get what you are saying but the no knight way is far superior and MUCH easier.
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7 RepliesI am always the relic runner for my team. As Hunter and Titan I have not been slammed by ogres. And I always make my jump from plate to platform up top... and killing adds and ogres after staggering oryx, and then coordinating bomb timing always works.. maybe you have just had a bad experience with non premium guardians..
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Your team just has a shit runner I never have a problem running relic
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Agreed. My raid team tried the no knight strat and failed in multiple ways we couldn't even get to the detonation part.
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Never tried the no knight strategy because killing them takes like 2 seconds.
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You deserve mean comments, you started the insults in the title, saying a strategy that someone in the community came up is garbage instead of just saying "I don't think no knight strat is the best" is childish and you're a retarded -blam!- and deserve to be treated like one bitch
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This is why you use a Warlock for running in this strategy. It's a must to have 1 Warlock and 2 titans. The others can be any class. It worked after about 5 tries for us.
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Or we could just agree that strategies work for different groups.....buuut we are on a destiny forum
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the people holding platforms for relic runner must not shoot the ogres period..the 2 up on the daughters pull agro and 9 times out of 10 everyone will make it just fine...did oryx in less than 30 mins this way...
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I do both and both have their problems and mistakes. Once a team knows one it's easy with either.
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2 Replies1. Agro keeps the ogres of runner. 2. If you can't make the jump to the platforms, just go now. 3. Bombs are easy to destroy no matter where they are. 4. You're more likely to die down on the ground then up top. Red Bar vs Nothing at all, hmmm I wonder which wins?
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The normal strat is garbage. Not killing ogre in time -blam!-s it up Not killing knight in time -blam!-s it up No profit
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A lot of teams I have been with use this strat and I [i]hate[/i] it. It adds so much unnecessary danger to the encounter and it's so much easier to just do it normally.
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It's because you suck....
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Edited by ScarScrilla: 11/6/2015 2:26:44 PMSeems like you are doing a lot of things wrong: If people can't distract ogres properly and they kill relic runner = something is wrong, maybe relic runner isn't good enough. If someone can't make the jump to the platform to the Deathsinger's plateau= something is very very very wrong. I have done Oryx hard the 'normal' and no knight strat way on all 3 classes since it dropped. Always with random ppl from lfg. No problems whatsoever ... If everybody communicates and coordinates.
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The only problem I've had with the killing ogres strategy is we had a few times where the last ogre spawned late very late and by the time he died oryx would already slam and cause some scrambling around. We even had a knight once go around the back of the plate to get to the blight. Also if you're going to post anything on this crappy community you must be willing to take the ignorant backlash sorry this community just sucks like that.
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When my team did it , I am always the relic runner since I am actually smart with it and avoid the ogres.
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4 RepliesOP's raid kd says it all
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With a good team with good communication i understand that the normal method is a hell of a lot easier to get done, but when you run with sub-par lfg teams who hardly ever speak the no-knight strat allows 3 or so players to run most if the fight. Simply let the worse players sit on a platform and not do anything for most of the fight
