I've been hitting the grimoires pretty heavy lately and after the events of the Paradox quest in TTK. I've come up with the theory that the skeleton you find in the Vault of Glass isn't Praedyth, but actually Kabr most likely. Here's why..
If you nab the Grimoire card titled [i]Praedyth's Door [/i] it talks about how Praedyth has constructed a makeshift comm over the course of the last decade, which he is finally able to use in small windows when the Vex "open his cell" and that's how we recieve the transmission.
You go, fight the Vex and find his skeleton. Case closed, right? But ponder this..
In previous grimoire cards Praedyth's name was unable to be read, spoke, written or heard without a level of distortion because he had been wiped from time and existence by the Vex. Pahanin swore that him and Kabr went into a Vault with a third person while others claimed they didn't.
Kabr escaped from the Vault days after Pahanin did, the Vex corrupting his mind. He said he made a wound in the Vault and starts describing Atheon. He carried Vex from within outside to dismantle them, craft his armor and return to the Vault where he opens the "vault by himself, but not alone"
"If I speak again, I am not Kabr," If, being the key word.
Now when you go through the Vault of Glass raid you can pick up all of Kabr's armor and Praedyth's Weapons.
The skeleton you find in the Vault has no armor on or around it. Assuming that Kabr returned to the Vault with just the Aegis and his corrupting mind, this would explain why there are no weapons with the body either. Your ghost says that there is a bit of light left in the body but cannot bring him back (probably due to the guardian's lack of Ghost)
That being said, if Praedyth was wiped from existence there would be no trace of his skeleton. If it were his body. There would be armor. Instead, only his guns are found. Praedyth is communicating with you when his cell is opened via his comm. That means that he, and the comm are alive and well somewhere within the Vault.
Kabr's entire armor set is found in the Vault. So, it is more likely that the Vex corrupted-Kabr returned to the Vault and wandered it aimlessly as he slipped into madness and eventually perished.
But hey, it's just a theory. Discuss!
[b]Edit: Many people have brought this up about the Aegis. Kabr didn't [i]become[/i] the Aegis but he did craft it. The card says he infused it with his light (we don't know how much or little since we know guardians can have a varying amount of light. Body on the moon with none, corrupted guardians with fading light, great amounts of light and small) he then keeps talking about what is happening to him since he made it. About the Vex being in his blood and brain. He's still alive at this point and not the Aegis. [/b]
[i]This sparks up plenty of theory about him possibly being Atheon through a grandfather paradox, being dead or being transformed into something as terrible as Atheon but that's another theory with not much to go on it right now[/i]
Edit: Sources:
[i]Praedyth's Door:[/i] http://db.destinytracker.com/grimoire/allies/legends-mysteries/mystery-praedyths-door
[i]The Aegis[/i] http://db.destinytracker.com/grimoire/activities/raids/relic-the-aegis
[i]The Vault of Glass (Raid card)[/i] http://db.destinytracker.com/grimoire/activities/raids/vault-of-glass
[i]Pahanin Errata[/i] is another.
Updating sources as I go. Gotta dig for Grimoire card names.
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I thought Praedyth never made it to the Maze
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33 Replies*puts on tinfoil hat* The vex exist across time, running various scenarios and sticking to their positive outcomes, and manipulating negatives, this implies two things, 1: praedyth was kept in some sort of construct outside of time, why? Because he was needed.... Because 2: the vex knew they would need you to take care of the taken for them and his signal would bring you in, which THEN implies that 1: everything you have done in VOG was the best possible outcome for the vex, and 2: that praedyth was alive until the second you opened his cell.
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This can't be a Theory. He has to be Alive. He is my favorite character in Destiny, ever.
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10 RepliesHow do you get praedyths door?
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4 RepliesThe way I thought of this was that the vault doesn't follow our laws of time. A voice in the vault could come from a million years in the past that hasn't happened yet. Especially now that Atheon is dead, there's no way for time in the vault to converge on one point. Praedyth, Kabr, and Pahanin are all still in the vault, lost in the dark corners of time. The voice came from the same space as the skeleton, but not the same time.
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Bump for awesome, and i like trying to manage time travel situations and timelines
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1 Reply[quote]But hey, it's just a theory.[/quote] [b]A GAME THEORY!! [/b]Thanks for watching! [spoiler]nice post btw, very interesting[/spoiler]
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3 RepliesHey but that's just a theory. A game theory.
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It's Freddy Mercury. Case closed
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2 RepliesGreat post. Thank you. I think I read/ heard/ saw that Atheon is a rogue Vex that was going against the the will of many or rather the "one mind"... He is prob not Kabr. Check out Sir Wallen on YouTube. I really enjoy his stuff. Here is his vid on Kabr https://youtu.be/UyEbN-rpdAs
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if you look at the pelvis of the skeleton it appears to be female because the hole by the pubis "birth canal" its larger so yea...
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The vex control time but Atheon and the hydras can only do it inside the vault which is why Atheon teleports you and the Gordon's can erase you from existence. He may actually be alive and dead depending on the time that it is when you enter
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1 ReplyI would love to see more things like this around the forums. Very interesting read. Will monitor.
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The amount of time people could have a conversation about this is crazy.
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1 ReplyOne problem, the description on the raid sniper said his fall had happened (the skeleton) was happening and is yet to happen (the transmission). That entire statement is a paradox, hence the name of the mission. However, [spoiler]I have no idea what I'm talking about [/spoiler]
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2 RepliesDidn't Pahanin not go into the Vault, and instead hear about it from someone else?
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1 ReplyI thought Kabr is the aegis...
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1 ReplyWell Kabr does disappear to god-knows-where after Pahanin talks with him. Praedyth is another topic entirely. Like Ikora said his name is connected to weapons so his existence is still confirmed, albeit slightly. Hell don't forget we have literally [b]infinite[/b] timelines connected to Praedyth since he got lost in the time portals. We just happened to find one where only his skeleton is left. I'm wholly convinced he lived in one of them since his last words before he cut off was a desperate 'I LIVED'. Maybe he was trying to confirm his existence?
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1 ReplyNice job, great read!
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3 RepliesThese are the kind of post i like to read/see on the forums not that whinny shit or AMAs
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6 RepliesInteresting theory forsure, but I think I'm gonna stick with the guys who made the game......
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1 ReplyI had assumed that whoever it was (I was under the impression it was Kabr because I thought it said that at the end) had been "lost forever" (like what can happen to you during Atheon fight) and you brought them back into the timeline through your actions but leaving them trapped at a much earlier point with no way out of the vault.
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1 ReplyKabr never left the Vault? Pahanin was the only one to escape.
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12 RepliesIt is still possible it is Praedyth, due to the fact we know his ghost is separated from himself. And I would argue Kabr made it to A the on as well due to having left the relic there, possibly signifying his defeat. Though If the gear is to be believed Praedyth may just be separated from our time line not to return. And remember, Kabr had 6 people in his fire team. The other 3 ended up being erased. Praedyth did not get erased, he was locked up, forgotten, but not erased
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