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7/8/2015 11:22:41 AM
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HoW turned out to be worse than TDB
HoW turned out to be an epic failure.
Seriously, TDB had the Crota raid and even though it isn't the best raid at least people played it and it had good rewards.
Everyone was so hyped for HoW but now that we've lived with it for awhile it turns out to be inferior to previous activities we've had.
Some people enjoy ToO but for the majority of people HoW hasn't brought anything new they enjoy playing on a regular basis.
With this recognition I am worried about TTK. Bungie hyped HoW so much and it sucks. Not sure we should have any more confidence in future DLC releases.
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I think HoW went in a different direction than TDB. In TDB, it was all about attaining max level with the raid gear so that you could complete the raids easier. In HoW, it was more about customizing your characters to your liking. The ascension system and rerolling system allows for people to get gear they actually want. It makes it so vault space isn't an issue because you only really need one of each gun. It used to be that if you got a good drop you were extremely lucky. Now any drop is good because of the ability to reroll. I think a good way to incentivize PoE would be to add a rerolling system to the weapons and to add an elemental shard to the Skolas fight. Rather than obtaining random element primaries, they should've given out shards that can be fused with a gun and give it that element. It is stupid to have a void handcannon with shank burn. But if you could add a solar shard to it and get better perks than there would be incentive to get these guns. Finally, they should have added fallen disruptor to all PoE weapons. This perk in itself would make the weapons more useful. If they did more damage to fallen than they would definitely get a lot more use in the Skolas fight. Bungie just didn't do a good job of making the new rewards worth it. When we have all the best gear, why would we want to grind for some shitty PoE gun. A great example is HoC and BH from CE. Those two guns were extremely good and made running the raid every week worth it. Black hammer is a monster on bosses and Hunger is a good Ghorn replacement.
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I went to agree, but then I thought about it and: HoW didn't suck. I liked the story, I like the reef space, I like trials (when it works properly), and I really enjoy the Skolas fight. The HoW exotics are some of the best in the game. And the trials gear is siick. I really enjoyed the new content when it dropped. I think when hardcore players blow through content we have a tendency to blame the devs and say there's no content. There was content, and IMO it was worth $19. Prison of Elders isn't dynamic enough to keep me playing at this point other than to help others and hang out when I'm bored. Or solo a 34, I haven't done that yet. That was kind of a failure. But the 28 is fun so I'll pop that in here and there. Trials is all jacked up with cheaters right now, but I still get enough wins to get the gear I want out of it so I'm good. The etheric light.... There are still people who enjoy this game who don't have 25+ lights just sitting around like some of us (me) because they can't do trials, or don't have the time to play as much. So for them, HoW is still relevant. Overall, I'd say that at this point the majority of us are ready for new content. We are done with HoW. Yes bungie hype the crap out of everything and this is something we need to keep in mind. But I'm looking forward to shooting more crap with new weapons and supers in ttk.
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Trials has made me love it haha. Fun to spend time with friends there and maybe go flawless
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couldn't agree more. trials is by far the best thing in this dlc, and it is really just a new scoring system to an existing game mode. tbh, it isn't even trials itself that makes it good. it's actually a terrible game mode that strictly encourages camping and special weapons. it's the whole lighthouse deal that makes it good. even that is kind of getting old. i honestly really enjoyed the crota raid. never really been a big fan of the vault. my main character has been deleted recently, but i have around 250 crota completions, and over 100 vog completions. i have done lvl 35 prison maybe 4 times. the prisons are the worst thing to come to this game yet
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Couldn't disagree more.
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I wasn't around during the Dark Below's relevancy, so I can't comment on comparisons, but I don't think HoW is that bad. The game isn't the most compelling experience you are ever going to have in your life or anything. Video games for the most part are not all that compelling. It's just something to do with friends, or a challenge that can be both fun and frustrating. I will say that the raid weapons in both of the previous games were far better than what we have currently, but it isn't because Bungie did a bad job. They just split end-game gear into two catagories; pvp and pve. So it was a little bit different this time around. ToO will give you great PvP gear that is also relevant in PvE. PoE gives you great PvE gear that is relevant in PvP. No one is going to be taking their ToO gear into a Skolas fight. Just like no one will be taking their PoE gear into ToO. They still accomplished what they wanted to do, have endgame content and gear that makes that content progressively easier. They just split it up so that people who don't want to raid can pursue a challenge, and people who like to raid can do something as well. I am disappointed that Eris Morn's quests were pushed into obscurity. I have had TDB since 1 week before HoW dropped (more or less, I don't remember) and I just got rank 4 for Eris Morn this week. It took forever. For $20 though, you actually can find a reason to play the game still. Whether it's trying to get a certain drop, or upgrading gear. There is some replayability. Destiny may be small, but its designed in a way that you are rewarded for what you do. It's not too often that you can have replayability with a $20 game.
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The thing that makes PoE trash is the rewards, you can roll a few to be pretty good but mostly their trash except QB Bow and LoW.
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I...disagree.
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12 RepliesIf prison of elders were structured more like firefight than a really long strike I think it would have done better. Overall I think the thing that irks me the most about these dlcs is that they don't work like expansions, they simply replace content. All vendor weapons and armor get replaced. Wolves replaced swords of crota, new currencies get added meaning old currencies become progressively useless. The current story vendor replaces the old story vendor since all of Eris' content has become irrelevant in the wake of HoW. Expansions are supposed to add content to the game, not replace it. If swords of crota still showed up followed by wolves followed by a public event something would always be happening in patrol. If the entire destiny legendary arsenal were available then it would feel like there was actually more content because there would actually be more content.
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I prefer PoE to the raids by a long shot. I know others who feel the same way as well.
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I would enjoy Skolas more if we were guaranteed a weapon drop everytime.
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I had a fun time defeating skolas last night, more than I've had in crota for a while
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In my opinion, I get much less enjoyment out of the prison then I do raids. Surprisingly the prison feels like it has a lower replay factor to it. Maybe it's because of its not so good loot. The only thing keeping me on these days is trials and reset night.
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I am please with the content, just not prison of elders
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House of Wolves was equally bad as TDB if not worse except for the additional weapon features like reforge. POE turned out to be worse than Crota by week 3 with void burn Skolas.
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3 RepliesI saw someone post the [i]exact[/i] same text with the [i]exact[/i] same title awhile back. HoW has way more content then TDB and I personally am quite pleased with my purchase.
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Both have/had their positives and negatives. They are too different to really compare accurately imo. I do know I'm pretty much already put of things to do with this dlc. They made it too easy to get to 34.
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Sadly i have to agree with you.
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The tdb dlc had way better weapons and gear and a raid.
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Prison of elders was garbage. Trials is fun though, even though it really isn't anything new. We're still playing PVP in the same maps
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4 RepliesThe ability alone to reforge weapons makes HoW better the TDB in my opinion. Obligatory Shut up Meg.
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Yeah seriously all it is, is a better story and PoE which is worse than the raid. I don't count trials as HoW because we all know that shit could have been live many months ago
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37 RepliesEdited by Silk Almond Milk: 7/11/2015 6:51:32 PMHoW Pros: -ToO -New Weapons -A new Strike -Raids are now useful with etheric light (Crotas End, VoG) -Reroll Cons: -PoE isn't really considered Enjoyable -No Actual Raid -Very few new exotics -Story is worse -Advertised A lot of new content which came with little amount -A lot easier to get to 34 -Crappy PoE weapons -Shankburn (pretty self explanatory) -Crappy Queens weapons -Broken Bosses (Kaliks, Skolas, etc.) -Exotics that were promised but not obtainable (Vesta Dynasty 347)
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1 ReplyTTK is going to be the first content actually made since the release, so I think it'll be good
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2 RepliesWaaaay better than TDB.
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1 ReplyThey both had their ups and downs but in the end we're both average in my book. 6/10 for each.
