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3/29/2015 5:15:54 PM
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Being a "man" isn't important, especially since people have all sorts of stupid ideas over what being a "man" is. A lot of guys will tell you that one needs to have sex with a lot of hot women in order to be a man, as well as needing to have the ability to take stupid, pointless risks to show how "brave"/"tough" they are.
I'd say it's far more important to just be thought of as a good person. Helping others and trying to leave the world a better (or at least no worse of a) place than it was when you first entered it is a far better goal, in my opinion.
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You obviously didn't read it
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I did, I just decided not to say all I originally intended to so what was left looked like a repetition of your points. Actually, the point I originally intended to make is that being a good person should be your goal, not being a "man" and that both genders can easily accomplish that goal. Society, however, defines "being a man" as being strong, stupidly brave/fearless, and wheeling lots of women.
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Being a good person is manly if your a guy
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How so? Some would say the opposite. A lot of "badass" features are considered manly.
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And what's wrong being a great guy who's also a badass?
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True. But ultimately the real man is the one who stands up for the weak, treats others fairly, and works to make the world a better place.
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That's not society's definition of a badass though. You can use your own definitions here if you want, but that has never been what I'm referring to.
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That's the thing... Men don't care about what society thinks of them. A true man lives to his own standards not Hollywood.
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One could easily say that those who bully others don't care what others think about them. Psychopaths are not capable of caring. Does that make them true men? I would say part of being a man [i]would[/i] be to care what society thinks, and to better it according to what it wants.
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Edited by greenleader115: 3/30/2015 4:32:59 AMYou make men out to be the worst possible thing they can be when there is an entire thread here of counter claims. You already have your mind made up on what a man is. You think that every man aspires to be Rambo. To blow shit up indiscriminately and then go have sex with ten different women. There is a difference between TV and real life. Just because we are not hyper sensitive doesn't negate the fact that every man should hold himself to a certain amount decorum. There is a diffrence between being a teenager and being a man. A teen will go watch terminator and think it is amazing and a man will recive just as much enjoyment from watching his kids grow and building up his community and neighborhood. The things you have listed here, like abundant sex and strength are all present in a teen's image of what's cool. Any man who thinks these are more important is a boy in a man's body. A man draws his strength from the strength of his family. And what is wrong with trying to be the best man you can be? That's what manliness is. When people say that their is no need for Manliness that's like saying there is no need for men to have standards because that's what it is, a standard. And no amount of Hollywood crap is ever going to change that.
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I honestly have no idea what you're talking about lol I think the idea of needing to "be a man" is foolish, yes, because society pushes its own idea of manliness onto people and tells people it needs to do that stuff to "be a man". You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't say people in society need to "be men", but then say that society's stereotypical definition of "manliness" isn't what they should follow. Either you're going to have a general rule of thumb for society or you're not. Not everybody will agree with the same definition of what a man is, and as of now it involves things like being strong and banging lots of women. Notice how everybody here thinks a guy who nails hot chicks is cool? People won't agree with what you think it takes to be a man, plain and simple. That's why I just try to say instead of aspiring to "be a man", I'd say people should aspire to be good and to help society be bettered. There's far less room for debate that way.
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Society is avrage at best. I disagree with much of society but this argument is not political. Societies standards are sub par. They are not what I will raise my children to. A man has to make his own decisions.
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Edited by greenleader115: 3/30/2015 12:31:34 AM
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Edited by Gluedog: 3/29/2015 8:50:35 PMWhy should someone be or strive to be a good person?
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You don't have to be. I was saying this in the context that somebody should choose to do that. You're free to be the biggest ass this world has ever seen should you choose to be.
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That's why I talk about looking to a positive male role model and not society.
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And that's why I changed my original post idea to be less about that and to be more of a reiteration of your points, but with more emphasis on how the idea of being a "man" is a foolish one.
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Edited by Britton: 3/29/2015 5:38:35 PMI fail to see how its foolish. Being a good person is part of being a man.
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Because, again, society's idea of being a "man" isn't the one you have in your head. Society views it as being strong, stupidly brave/fearless, and wheeling hot women. That's a foolish ideal to strive toward. Banging lots of women and doing stupid things because you're "fearless" just puts yourself in bad situations over and over again. That's hardly a positive thing, or being a positive role model.
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That's why I specifically say its important to seek a positive role model after giving my own example of one. I should probably spell out that society is not where to look to be a man.
