It's not the fact that OP wants a day or month dedicated to straight people, it's the fact that we are all sick of having this shit shoved down our throats even by a developer of a game we all enjoy to play. We play the game to get away from all this crap, not to see more of it when we go look to see what the Heroic Menagerie is going to have in store for us.

[quote]It's not the fact that OP wants a day or month dedicated to straight people, it's the fact that we are all sick of having this shit shoved down our throats even by a developer of a game we all enjoy to play.[/quote] That's a YOU problem....and a misunderstanding of boundaries on your part. Seemingly a common problem with people who tend to be authoritarian in their view point....or come from ultra-conservative religious backgrounds. They don't understand where their "zone" of legitimate concern stops...and where someone elses starts. 1. This is Bungie's forum, and Bungie's business. So they don't need your permission to as they choose with it. 2. Bearing witness to other people who choose to live differently than you do, or in ways that y ou do not approve of is NOT "having it shoved down your throat". Because this is NOT a space that you have any reasonable expectation fo control over....or a voice in how it is run. 3. Gay people have heterosexuality "shoved down their throats" (to use your misguided nomenclature) every single f-ing day of their lives. I'm old enough to remember when most gay people had to live "closeted". In other words they had to PRETEND to be straight, simply to avoid the ignorance, prejudice, persecution...and sometimes actual VIOLENCE of others. They literally could not be who they were in the confines of their own lives because others (probably like you) went OUT OF THEIR WAY to make their lives miserable. So tell me this. How is this affecting your life in ANY way....other than the "inconvenience" of having ot know that there are others out there living in ways that you dont' approve of? Waiting....... Waiting....... Waiting..... Bungie is part of a community...and this is what companies like Bungie do in order to participate in those communities. I find it, ahem....interesting.... how this bit of community participation is generating such "controversy" and how people like you want it to "go away' (back into the closet?). Yet raising money for St. Jude and other children's charities is perfectly acceptable.

[quote]That's a YOU problem....and a misunderstanding of boundaries on your part. Seemingly a common problem with people who tend to be authoritarian in their view point....or come from ultra-conservative religious backgrounds.[/quote] A bold assumption on OP... one that is most-likely incorrect. [quote] authoritarian in their view point....[/quote] a fascinating and humorous statement coming from someone who types like an authority on most things... [quote]They don't understand where their "zone" of legitimate concern stops...and where someone elses starts.[/quote] Nobody does, even gay rights activists go too far. Here's a New York Mag article suggesting the gay rights movement is sabotaging itself with these kinds of things- http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/01/sullivan-the-gay-rights-movement-is-undoing-its-best-work.html and now even businesses are cashing in on it, and they could give less of a damn about the "message" [quote]1. This is Bungie's forum, and Bungie's business. So they don't need your permission to as they choose with it.[/quote] Absolutely, and users have a choice, spot on observation. [quote]2. Bearing witness to other people who choose to live differently than you do, or in ways that you do not approve of is NOT "having it shoved down your throat". Because this is NOT a space that you have any reasonable expectation fo control over....or a voice in how it is run.[/quote] If it were merely beholding gay people we wouldn't be having this conversation- it's more or less the hijacking of the message and politics of homosexual people by individuals and entities that have absolutely no stake in the matter but whom can gain from it none-the-less. [quote]3. Gay people have heterosexuality "shoved down their throats" (to use your misguided nomenclature) every single f-ing day of their lives.[/quote] Contradiction to your previous point, "Bearing witness to other people who choose to live differently than you do, or in ways that you do not approve of is NOT "having it shoved down your throat" I ask that you refrain from using your own double standards when confronting a double standard. [quote]I'm old enough to remember when most gay people had to live "closeted". In other words they had to PRETEND to be straight, simply to avoid the ignorance, prejudice, persecution...and sometimes actual VIOLENCE of others.[/quote] This has been changing, and while you may remember a different time; the times have changed, and the slow acceptanceof homosexuality was on track, until the imitators jumped on the bandwagon and decided to take it further. [quote]They literally could not be who they were in the confines of their own lives because others (probably like you) went OUT OF THEIR WAY to make their lives miserable.[/quote] Ugh, ok grampa we know! You walked uphill both ways to school in the blinding snow too... This nobody gives a shit about, who is not actually experienced with it. Also a new assumption on OP that creates even more animosity- are you actually an advocate for homosexuals are do you enjoy sabotaging their image by defending them with accusations? [quote]So tell me this. How is this affecting your life in ANY way....other than the "inconvenience" of having ot know that there are others out there living in ways that you dont' approve of?[/quote] It doesn't- plain and simple, we are in agreement here; however reading leftist propoganda that labels white males as problematic; hearing from leftists that Gender roles are incorrect when they work a 60 hours week to feed their family; Being told they are a bigot for supporting conservative ideals- when in fact they are just voting in their own interest... to see that message mixed up with Gay rights is both appalling and cloying to all of the rainbow colored trappings associated with "Pride" month. [quote]Bungie is part of a community...and this is what companies like Bungie do in order to participate in those communities.[/quote] I applaud Bungie for their efforts in Charity; but they're cashing in from the controversy too. [quote]I find it, ahem....interesting.... how this bit of community participation is generating such "controversy" and how people like you want it to "go away' (back into the closet?).[/quote] Again- some ally you are, using the insinuation that OP is [u]closeted[/u] to cast his concerns in a [u]negative light[/u] [quote]Yet raising money for St. Jude and other children's charities is perfectly acceptable.[/quote] Last time I checked St. Judes was in the business of saving Sick Children, not advancing the political clout of a specific group of individuals. [b]Respect[/b]

Thank you for confirming my point. The only reason why homosexuality is a 'political problem" is because the ignorance, bigotry of heterosexuals, and 1500 years of being called "sinners" by the Church. The same Church that tortured and executed people for refusing to beleive that the Earth was flat, and that it was the Center of The Universe. Gay people don't have a problem with who they are. WE are the one's with a problem....and we choose to make OUR problem into THEIR problem. And all they are asking for are the same rights that YOU take for granted in your own life....and JEALOUSLY defend even when they AREN"T being threatened. You see that's the irony here. People like you and the OP....aren't interested in treating them justly. You want them to shut up, go away, and apparently accept being treated as Children of a Lesser God. Well...since Stonewall....that answer is "No". They aren't going to go away. They aren't going to stay in the closet....and if you dont' like the fact of their existence or their full-and-equal participation in society? Well...I wish you luck in dealing with your problem.

[quote]Thank you for confirming my point. The only reason why homosexuality is a 'political problem" is because the ignorance, bigotry, and 1500 years of being called "sinners" by the Church. Gay people don't have a problem with who they are. WE are the one's with a problem....and we choose to make OUR problem into THEIR problem.[/quote] You're not acknowledging what I typed at all- I don't care if they're gay; they can be as gay as the day is long and I won't give a shit. I object to the politics that the movement has become mixed up in. [quote]And all they are asking for are the same rights that YOU take for granted in your own life....and JEALOUSLY defend even when they AREN"T being threatened.[/quote] Well seeing as they DO have the same rights that I have your argument is making less sense now... exactly what right do they lack at this point? Gay marriage is a thing unless you live and travel in predominantly conservative areas, also something that is changing [u]slowly[/u]. [quote]You see that's the irony here. People like you and the OP....aren't interested in treating them justly. You want them to shut up, go away, and apparently accept being treated as Children of a Lesser God.[/quote] Another gross mischaracterization from an angry liberal... I would hope that all people are treated justly; and I recognize that some people are not. But you have to take a moment and realize that grumblings about pride month are not unjust treatment and if homosexuals want to feel pride in themselves, they have to deal with the detractors- overemphasizing the past to characterize the present as being rife with bigotry is a sign that your generation is aging; you are no longer as close to situation as you were. [quote]Well...since Stonewall....that answer is "No".[/quote] lol stonewall? I was looking for a conversation, you nincompoop [quote]They aren't going to go away. They aren't going to stay in the closet....and if you dont' like the fact of their existence or their full-and-equal participation in society?[/quote] Again- where are they not participating in society?? [quote]Well...I wish you luck in dealing with your problem.[/quote] Oh... theres the stonewall- I though you were talking about me.

1. I ignore rationalizations and cut to the chase. If you genuinely don't care about them being gay, then you have NO (rational) basis by which to object to their demanding to be treated fairly by this society. Because----in the vast majority of cases----those who do object, DO have a problem with homosexuality. They've just learned that its no longer socially tolerated to express that "problem". Which is what they are really upset about. 2. No they dont' have the same rights. That's just a blatant falsehood. 3. Discrimination on the job. Discrimination in housing. Also marriage isn't just a religious rite. Marriage also bring with a host of societal protections, privilieges, and legal RIGHTS. For example---this was a BIG problem in health care until very recently-----a gay partner was not considered "family". So one partner could become critically ill. Only have that person's birth family swoop in....then BAR a disliked gay relationship partner from having any say in their loved one's care. Or in some cases even being allowed to VISIT. Same with a deceased partner. Unless stated explicitly in wills, there was no guarentee that the surviving partner could keep shared property. There are horror stories of the deceased partner's birth family swooping in and walking off with communal property, and the surviving partner being helpless to stop it. Even to the point of the relatives taking possession of a shared home, and kicking the grieving partner out of it. Same rights, MY ASS. 4. No, it isn't. Again. I've just learned to ignore what people say....and watch what they do. Less BULLSHIT to deal with that way. Because people's actions tend to show you what their real values are. Not the ones they pay lipservice to....or feel socially compelled to defer to. 5. Apparently you have no idea what Stonewall is. "Stonewall" was the "Rosa Parks Moment" of the Gay Liberation Movement. The moment where a minority group finally got sick and tired of having their human dignity savaged.....dug in and said...."No more". None so blind as those with eyes who will not see.

AH ok I didn't get that reference. [quote]"Stonewall" was the "Rosa Parks Moment" of the Gay Liberation Movement. The moment where a minority group finally got sick and tired of having their human dignity savaged.....dug in and said...."No more".[/quote] [quote]4. No, it isn't. Again. I've just learned to ignore what people say....and watch what they do. Less BULLSHIT to deal with that way. Because people's actions tend to show you what their real values are. Not the ones they pay lipservice to....or feel socially compelled to defer to.[/quote] Splendid- I will assume that for you as well. [quote]Same with a deceased partner. Unless stated explicitly in wills, there was no guarentee that the surviving partner could keep shared property. There are horror stories of the deceased partner's birth family swooping in and walking off with communal property, and the surviving partner being helpless to stop it. Even to the point of the relatives taking possession of a shared home, and kicking the grieving partner out of it.[/quote] Guess they should have made a will and hired a lawyer. [quote]Also marriage isn't just a religious rite. Marriage also bring with a host of societal protections, privilieges, and legal RIGHTS. For example---this was a BIG problem in health care until very recently-----a gay partner was not considered "family". So one partner could become critically ill. Only have that person's birth family swoop in....then BAR a disliked gay relationship partner from having any say in their loved one's care. Or in some cases even being allowed to VISIT.[/quote] Thank you for defining the LEGAL nature of marriage for me- You'll be happy to know I am well aware of the legal consequences of marriage already. The point is irrelevant filler for your argument. [quote]Discrimination on the job. Discrimination in housing.[/quote] We are in total agreement here- both are absolutely reprehensible, and the laws concerning housing should be modified. Workplace discrimination deserves careful consideration as well. [quote]I ignore rationalizations and cut to the chase. If you genuinely don't care about them being gay, then you have NO (rational) basis by which to object to their demanding to be treated fairly by this society. Because----in the vast majority of cases----those who do object, DO have a problem with homosexuality. They've just learned that its no longer socially tolerated to express that "problem". Which is what they are really upset about.[/quote] I have never objected to them being treated fairly, I object to the politics their message is caught up in (third time saying it) (also a thing you ignore)

Spoken like a true authoritarian. Like I said, Thank you for confirming my point.

lol lets be real Kelly, anything I could have said would've confirmed your point in your eyes. I'll just consider you the "authority" on the subject

[quote]It's not the fact that OP wants a day or month dedicated to straight people, it's the fact that we are all sick of having this shit shoved down our throats even by a developer of a game we all enjoy to play. We play the game to get away from all this crap, not to see more of it when we go look to see what the Heroic Menagerie is going to have in store for us.[/quote] It’s an optional purchase outside of the game for a neat little irl charity item. Nothing about this is shoved down your throat or in the actual game.

A charity item to support LGBT after we had a month of this shit shoved down our throat, bungie is basically saying "LGBT had a whole month of this crap, here is a post in the TWAB so we can continue to say why LGBT needs support, you should buy one!" Too me sounds like I cant get away from any of this bullshit.

[quote]A charity item to support LGBT after we had a month of this shit shoved down our throat, bungie is basically saying "LGBT had a whole month of this crap, here is a post in the TWAB so we can continue to say why LGBT needs support, you should buy one!" Too me sounds like I cant get away from any of this bullshit.[/quote] Nobody’s forcing you to celebrate pride month. You can simply ignore it & your day won’t be any different. Maybe if we just let people be themselves & not get all riled up when these topics come up, we wouldn’t have to worry about this as much.

Maybe I could ignore it if I didnt have people in my day to day life say to me "You cant ignore Gay Pride month, a month set in place to realize all the shit going on the the LGBT community you bigot."

[quote]Maybe I could ignore it if I didnt have people in my day to day life say to me "You cant ignore Gay Pride month, a month set in place to realize all the shit going on the the LGBT community you bigot."[/quote] Well that’s a personal problem. Again just try to simply ignore it & just carry on as usual. I think you can suffer a bit of frustration & annoyance at the cost of people feeling accepted in society & not suffering mental health problems as a result.

I'm not suffering frustration or my personal well being for other people outside of my family, sorry but it doesnt work like that.