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6/17/2016 2:33:34 PM
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For such a broad tale, the traveler is kind of the big 'thing' that all this other stuff revolves around. With its dying act it created the ghosts and we wield its power against the darkness. I think the traveler got the story started and explained the backstory of why everything is the way it is.
Right now we're just playing all the "chapters" in the bigger story. These are like our battles in the overall ongoing war. I feel like the Traveler would be like toward the end, like the main goal of all of our efforts. Maybe there's a way it can come back or maybe some other variation of story involving it.
Either way, ever noticed how they talk about the Traveler and the Darkness and all that? Nothing is specifically known, not even by the in game characters. Like I read a grim that mentioned different NPC's theorizing on exactly 'what' The Darkness is. One thinks its a wave of like black matter or a literal darkness. One thinks it's the hordes of sinister alien life that is after The Traveler's light, like the ones we're fighting. One thinks it's a plague, etc.
I'm not sure that even the in game folks truly have a grasp on the battle of Light (and the traveler) and Darkness. All of it is talked about like its a legend. So we exist in that world and do our best to defend what's left of our home and species, and deal with the threats that arise. Even in some of the grim characters will imply that it was a curse that the Traveler even came because it brought the Darkness in its wake.
Me? The whole thing is like a big metaphor of Good and Evil. The traveler symbolic of all that is Good. All else, like Oryx and his worm gods, are viewed as minions of Darkness.
Makes you wonder looking out at that big white ball. The warmind disabled it. And the struggle between good/evil is about balance in the universe. To us the Vex and the Hive and such are foul and evil. But they're just doing what's in their nature. And would we even be at war if the Traveler hadn't come to us? Would the darkness have found us in such a concentration?
Whats the Biggest plot twist I can imagine?
If we go through all these DLCs years down the road, toward Destiny's end, then receive a huge exansion or final update that covers the final story of the Traveler, right? Do this mega story involving the Traveler and the speaker...
only to find out that the Traveler is actually the source of Darkness in the universe.
It's plan is to sorta sweep the universe of all species like us that make war with each other, and return stuff to just nature. How does it do this? Give us power. Dangle the bait of power and prosperity in front of us. Masquerade as "The Light" and name all else that seeks its power "The Darkness". It knows that we'll fight over this power, or fight to extinguish it as the Hive want.
Then it's all revealed. The greedy Fallen, The parasitic Hive, the perfectionist Vex, and the empirical Cabal... and the altruistic noble Guardians of the Tower... all killing each other and making one another extinct. All in the name of this Light and Dark ideal.
Because the Traveler -blam!-ing wants us too.
Final Destiny raid ever? Slay the Traveler and its Speaker. Put an end to the War of Extinction between the balancing Light and Dark.
Just musing, but maybe by that time, the Travelers schemes could be the final story arc of Destiny 2. That way in Destiny 3 it could be about us teaming up with some of the minions of darkness to stop the Traveler (and it's new race of enemies?) New character classes would include... Hive Deathsinger... Cabal Strategist... Fallen Reaver Captain... Vex Timebreaker.
C'mon. Sounds cool eh? Pop your super as a Vex Minotaur and slow or speed up time for yourself? Go berserk as a reaver Captain with dual swords? Launch a mortar strike with a cabal Centurion? Or drop poison clouds as a Hive wizard and send a horde of thralls into that cloud?
That's what I wanna do. I wanna kill the Traveler on the last ever raid in Destiny.
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Unfortunately, Bungie, under activision, have shown they're not capable of giving us something so grand. Everything to this point has been rushed, good in some aspects, and terrible in others. Destiny has not had one completely solid release since launch. Everything is a rushed cash grab. I would say if the raids were stand alones, maybe they'd have something to really be proud of. (Minus Crota lol)
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Sounds a bit too predictable. If you read the lore we already know that the traveler is not evil.
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We already assume. Good and evil is subjective. Whatever intentions the Traveler has (which we have no way of knowing except for the speaker) may be good intentions, but LOTS of villains do things in the name of "good". Just personally, I kinda lean with the rest of the folks that don't completely trust the Traveler. Seems like things were fine before it came along with its power and its enemies in tow. Besides, great alien spheres don't have a good track record in SciFi.
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Yes good and evil are subjective, but the traveler is indeed on our side. The reason the traveler came to us was because it was running from the darkness. If you view the death of all life in the universe and only the last, strongest species surviving as good then you can view the darkness as good. The Leviathan’s Warning ++We live on the edge of a war— —a war between Formless and Form++ ++between the Deep and the Sky— ++MY EYES ARE WIDE, MY GAZE IS LONG++ —Across the universe, as far as I see++ ++the Sky works to charge its fires— —and the Deep drowns the ash++ —Sky builds gentle places, safe for life++ ++Beloved Fundament, refuge of trillions— —The Sky treasures this rich place++ —BUT THE DEEP IS HERE WITH US— ++Cold logic tests our walls— —The Deep claims its dominion++ ++A ruthless, final age — The Leviathan’s Hope —What power calls you++ ++Down to the deep?— ++What instinct draws you— —Away from high hope?++ —Quick-breeding krill people, I tell you++ ++For eons I have watched your struggle— —Clinging to the sharp edge of survival++ ++Balanced between the Deep and the Sky.— ++You were my treasure— —My proof against despair++ —FOR THIS IS THE DEEP CLAIM— ++Existence is the struggle to exist— —When the struggle seems lost++ ++when the safe place crumbles— —everything turns to the Deep to survive++ ++I REJECT THE DEEP CLAIM++ —You will turn back, sweet krill of hope.±± ++You will choose the Sky instead.— The Leviathan’s Dirge ++This fatal logic++ —Hear my monopole scream!— ++It will consume you++ —Before you lies— ++The worship of death++ —The ruinous path— ++The Sky builds new life++ —Against the onset of ruin— ++Towards a gentle world++ —The Deep embraces death— ++Saying: this is inevitable and right++ —I exist as hungry ruin— ++TURN BACK FROM THE WORLD-KILLING WAY++ ++OR YOU WILL LIVE AS DEATH AND DEVASTATION++ —The Sky is the harder way. But it is kinder.— —My charge is balanced: my voice exhausted.—
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As far as we know the Traveler is on our side. Or, more pointedly, we chose the side of the Traveler because to the best of our knowledge, it represents what is good. But we cant always count on just what we know right now. The plot will only ever move forward, and our knowledge will surely develop in different ways. What the tower and the guardians know of the Traveler is kinda limited when you think about it. As the pieces of the puzzle keep falling into place, how long will it be before we discover too much about the Traveler? Is it too much of a stretch to believe that we won't discover unsettling truths about what the Traveler has left in its wake? Some line of plot that will have us questioning what "good and evil" really are?
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This is why I love the forums. In fact why I love video games. In general. You can lose yourself in your own imagination or one developed by others and become them. Great ideas man. I honestly can just sit for hours and make a dream world in my head based off of things Ive experienced in video games and such. In this world you have no worries about reality. Some people say I play video games because I don't have a life. But the truth is, in my eyes I play to have many..
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Nicely done
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Read the cards from oryx, the darkness is an actual entity that gave the worm gods their power who in turn gave the hive their power and guardians have the upper hand really our abilities are more powerful than the current enemies we face and plus we can keep coming back as log as our ghost is able to
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Read the cards from oryx, the darkness is an actual entity that gave the worm gods their power who in turn gave the hive their power and guardians have the upper hand really our abilities are more powerful than the current enemies we face and plus we can keep coming back as log as our ghost is able to
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Yeah according to the cards. Meanwhile other cards say that no one can agree what the darkness is. I agree that since there's an entity embodying the Light (the Traveler) there's probably one or many embodying the dark. But it all keeps boiling down to a mystery. No true specifics are actually given as to *what* these entities are or what drives them. As far as we can tell, the Traveler is right on top of the city, and though we have found ways to wield its power (starting in the golden age) there's still nothing concrete about why it's really there or what it actually is, what motivates it. The short answer would be it stands for all that is good in the universe. If it falls, all that is good and pure will die out to the Darkness. But really, is good and evil ever really so black and white? From the Hive's POV, Sword Logic is "good" and we are a sickening scourge that must be snuffed out. At the moment I think we are just ants on a chess board, trying to figure out how the pieces move. For all our light (and our grimoire) we still know too little.
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Yes and those other cards of those speculating what the darkness is never had any interaction with it at all, oryx did he even calls it a gift and says that he spoked to it and it gave him the power to take that's how he became the taken King
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Edited by ferial56: 6/17/2016 11:21:57 PMI don't exactly agree with the idea of playing the other races as classes... But it would AMAZING if the last story mission in Destiny was a full blown invasion, with the Cabal, Hive, Fallen, and even Vex by our side... Against the traveller; who has awakened, with the darkness fully incarnated as some type of demon like enemy. We weaken the Traveller, and the raid covers its final stand. Anyways, this is kick ass. I'm fine with This being the final story.
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I'd enjoy that a lot. It would be sweet to see a new patrol area in that case. Just a giant battlefield where the first city used to stand. War torn and entrenched with enemies. Fallen ketches spawning reinforcements to help hold the front along side us. Cabal bunkers and towers here and there. Hive and taken pouring out of the earth into the buildings of the old city (fighting whatever new enemy the Traveler has pulled forth). Vex constructs working tirelessly to tear a hole in time and break into the Traveler. One huge battlefield where we could participate in public events, supporting our allies to hold the lines while the Vex work to solve the riddle of the Traveler. Hold a ridge until the fallen can receive a signal to drop reinforcements. Mark targets for Cabal bombardments and airstrikes. Break open defenses in the city to allow Knights to lead their acolytes and thrall to overrun key targets. Defend Vex portals so that goblin sappers can import data from the past/future to weaken the Travelers firewall. It would just be kickass. Imagine the strikes, the raid (s?), the sight of the death star looking traveler looming over our heads, a smoldering and smashed city around us, the tower looking on from afar. The AWOKEN manning a fleet in the sky. It would feel like an apocalypse, like the culmination of all our efforts, do or die style.
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It'd make me almost feel a bit of a Mass Effect vibe. Gather up our allies, settle old disputes, kick some ass....
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you, sir, have just put more effort into explaining this to the playing community (and making it cohesive), than Bungie ever will.
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Tbh the traveler being evil is more of a cliche than a plot twist. It would be a better twist if the traveler actually lost.
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You should be a science fiction writer because this sounds pretty sick! While I would love for this to happen (you have no idea how much I've wanted to play as a Fallen), it has already been established in the lore that the Darkness (or the Deep) is a real, physical entity that is in fact hunting the Traveler and the forces of the Light (or the Sky). It would be pretty cool for some kind of twist to happen sometime down in the storyline.
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True but so much of that is metaphorical. The darkness is hunting the Traveler. But what is the darkness? No one can agree. The only one who would know, we just activated a bunch of blight bombs and shot his ass toward Saturn. There's too much "unknown" about the darkness. And the Traveler.
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As much as I want the traveler to be the good guy. This sounds pretty freaking sick. Well done sir, well done
