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Edited by Rufas-1: 9/20/2021 3:27:56 AM
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Trials was great last weekend, this weekend not so much

Last weekend was great. I didn't go flawless, but the majority of the matches I played were competitive. I solo queued and I won some, I lost some. This week it's been just as sweaty as before all the changes. Last week I was able to get 7 wins and several after that to get about 6-8 engrams. This week after 7 wins I was able to get several wins afterwards and only ended up with 1 engram. I reset my card and then it was a major struggle just to get back to 4 wins. This week = more sweaty and way less rewarding. I don' know how the recent changes impacted it, but whatever it did sucks pretty bad. [b]EDIT:[/b] I just want to clarify my original post a little bit. The feedback that I was hoping to get across was that... 1) the matchmaking seemed a bit off compared to last weekend. The matches I had last weekend were what I would call more competitive.... meaning that a majority of the matches were not 0-5, or even 1-5 stomps. Many of them were 3-5 or even 4-5. Out of those matches last weekend I felt like the win rate was close to 50/50, but in reality probably wasn't that even. It was actually fun because most matches felt like there was a chance to win. Personally, I don't care if I go flawless or not. It would be cool to do it, but I really just want to be able to have fun. PvP is fun when the competition is mostly balanced more games than not. It's not fun when you repeatedly get stomped game after game, though I would even slog through that if I felt that my time invested was worth it. 2) The post-7 win rewards were not nearly as lucrative this weekend [b]for me[/b] compared to last weekend. Last weekend I got a trials engram 4 out of 5 wins and even had a double drop once. Along with the trials engrams I would get a prism and or masterwork cores. I even got an ascendant shard once. This weekend the post 7 wins rewards were nowhere near as rewarding. And on top of that the wins after 7 were few and far between, so when I did finally get a win and only got a core for it it was very disappointing. So, I have a minor suggestion for the post-7 win rewards. When you lose I think you should also get a chance for a random trials drop (ie not an engram). This way if you get on a losing streak you can at least get SOMETHING for your time invested. The engram drop for winning is obviously better since you can focus it, but I think it would go a long ways to help player retention if even losing would get you a random drop at times. I'm not saying you should get a drop after every post-7 wins match, but its very deflating to get on a 4-5 game losing streak and nothing to show for it except some rep points. The rep points could be enough of a reward IF some of the ranks didn't take 8-10 matches to complete. 1 engram for 10 matches just isn't worth it to stay in the playlist if you are not great at PvP. Anyway, I hope you guys continue to iterate on the Trials playlist as the playlist can be quite fun when matches are competitive.

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  • Edited by Xriotor: 9/19/2021 2:02:11 PM
    I agree with this, [quote] "Last weekend was great. I didn't go flawless, but the majority of the matches I played were competitive. I solo queued and I won some, I lost some. This week it's been just as sweaty as before all the changes."[/quote] Last week I commented on a post that promoted how great the initial changes to Trials felt, this week was awful. Last week, I could win 2 or 3 and then lose one, or at-worse, lose one, win one, maybe lose 2, and get back into a couple wins. This week... loss, loss, loss, loss. The matchmaking feels way worse. I was among those last week that almost had their first flawless card ever, and this week I struggled to even get 7 wins without quitting out of frustration. The impression I got from reading the update on the changes and then playing is that it seems Bungie is trying to hard to have less 5/0 matches, however I would rather get "stomped" and then "do stomping" than lose 5/1 or 5/2 over and over and over. It may "look more hopeful" with matches like that but often those couple of wins were "super rounds" and weren't as competitive as the numbers might show. Instead it's felt like "get stomped x 5", "edge out a win", "get stomped x 5", "edge out a win". Anyway... this weekend has been pretty disappointing and discouraging again and my regular's are back to thinking of moving on to New World instead of D2 after 1 week of hope.... we had better luck in "legacy" Trials before this weekend. Thanks for listening, X

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    • Trials has always had a bunch of sweats. Now they’re just making sure the sweats only play sweats after going flawless which is fine by me. Adds the challenge for those who have already gone flawless and prevents gate keeping which is a major reason why trials failed in season of the worthy.

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      • Now that Trials is made so that every single person can get Flawless, when are they going to do this for the PVE equivalents? If I don't have the skill, team, or proper gear/mods to complete a GM, what are my options? If you wipe a bunch of times on a GM, can we get a GM that has weak enemies without any champions so I can complete it easier? GM's and raids need matchmaking and solo queues with easier enemies. If I go in under leveled, with terrible gear, and no end game pve experience, can I not get 1 shot by snipers and champions? It's not balanced and it's not fair. I shouldn't have to face Vandals that can 1 shot me because if we wipe I have to reset and it's not a fun experience doing this all weekend and not getting any adept weapons! We shouldn't be gated by sweaty champions. They should have to face each other but we all know that they don't want to face each other because they just want to stomp on weak guardians for their montages! We also need an easy mode Master Raid. If I go in there at 1325, I can't even kill anything! I don't have as good of gear as people so they kick me from their group. These sweatlords shouldn't dictate whether or not I can get a Timelost weapon! You need to make Timelost weapons available for everyone not just the sweaty streamers! Save your get good comments because I don't want to hear it. PVE isn't competitive in any way so you all need to stop treating it like it is. This game is supposed to be about fun. It isn't fun to fail and wipe to orbit and not get adept weapons. It isn't fun to never get invited to a group for Master Raids. These need to be accessible to everyone!

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        • Edited by AxelOfTheLight: 9/20/2021 2:23:18 AM
          Yup, this week after getting flawless I can confirm that the flawless matchmaking pool is utter garbage for an average player like me. Fifteen matches tonight with my friends, fifteen. We lost every. Single. Solitary. One. We never even made the other teams afraid they might lose. It was either 5-0 or rarely 5-1. All this change did is punish the average players that went flawless. Next week I'm going to purposefully lose at least one match just to go to seven wins and farm rep and materials. I'll go flawless Sunday or Monday.

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          • Agreed now we just need GMs and Master raids to become easier for players who don’t want to practice or form fireteams as well. It only seems fair that if you are going to make one part of endgame content easier for one group of players who struggle and harder for players that put the time in to practice and improve their skill. That all endgame content should be given the same treatment. GMs and master raids should be made harder for players who beat them in any given week for the remainder of that week and easier for players who don’t. To learn more about this concept I have created a post here: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/259712647/0/0

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            • I wasn’t able to get flawless last week but got it this week. If anything the matchmaking is better

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              • I had a team go flawless on me on a 5-0 ticket… lolol

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              • Looking at weapon usage, Messenger is not far at all behind the Mythoclast. Wheres all the "nerf Messenger" threads? 🤔

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                • Diagnosis: Skill issue

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                • just saying, I went flawless last weekend, and this weekend, had more fun this weekend. I hate crucible so only going once for me is ok. Most fun I've had.

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                • its a balance... either cater to skilled or unskilled. This weekend was way better for me (unskilled/solo). But I agree the post-7 win rewards suck butt. I'm never going flawless so my only rewards come from rankups which reaaaaaaaaally slow down.

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                • Bump

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                • I’m glad they’re trying different things. If they keep up with the tweaks on a week to week basis we should be in a really nice spot for everyone sooner or later

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                  • Edited by GIVE EM HELLBOY: 9/20/2021 12:26:44 AM
                    At least the flawless pool isnt as sweaty as Brave rank comp.

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                    • I agree this weekend sucked. It wasnt fun getting rolled over and over. Made it to pinnacle mostly through losses. I'm done it's not worth the meger rewards for the stress induced.

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                      • Let’s not forget, last week had arguably the best map for trials of osiris in the game and I can’t even see the sniper lane on this week’s because it is too bright.

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                      • Bungie said a long time ago that this game is not for regular players (unless they want to spend money on eververse or gjallarhorn). Look at the other Crucible modes’ matchmaking and you’ll understand Bungie. They don’t want pvp to be a great experience for everyone. They want content creators doing free advertising by stomping people with new weapons and builds.

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                      • I am an average Joe who endured the misery of the last weekend to get some loot being stomped 5x0 50+ times without mercy. It was no fun, pure hell. This weekend, trials are fantastic and full of joy. I still can't get flawless, but I think it is fair since I need to improve. The bottom line is fun! Noobs like me now have another mode we can have fun and get good loot. Let the sharks fight the sharks. They should be happy.

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                        • trials yesterday was the best ever only flawless people cry like babys becouse they cant get free wins. but bungie -blam!- as ever fixed it again and all the cry babys got there ez wins again

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                        • It’s hell for the players like me that get at most 1 flawless a week :/ I can’t play with my friends anymore that haven’t gone flawless because we just get stomped every game. And when I play solo I lose 12 games in a row 5-0. After you flawless you can’t really play trials anymore unless your in a sweaty 3 stack.

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                        • I did just fine using random weapons, but boy did I see a lot of the same loadouts. Definitely a lot of Messengers and Felwinters.

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                          • every single game after going flawless is as bad and sweaty as it was last few seasons. Splitting the flawless and non flawless players was a bad move

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                            • Trials was still garbage last weekend to play. The matches were awful. The loot was great tho.

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                            • Edited by Ray: 9/19/2021 8:19:20 PM
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                              I actually went flawless this week and didn’t do it the week before. 7 straight on my first try with some friends. Didn’t seem too bad The matches after flawless weren’t too bad either

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                              • This week was my second-ever Flawless run, with my first being the previous week. My clan mates have played trials regularly but they aren’t some god tier players with perfect skill, and i’m a potato. We went flawless first try (not including my attempts in solo queue, lol) both times, and other than the occasional shatterdive or le Monarque it was a very enjoyable experience. I even got a 4/5 Reed’s Regret for my effort, and some solid non-adepts too. Granted, I’m now flat out of legendary shards AND enhancement cores, so the focusing prices could be less…much, but other than that I’m having a blast.

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                              • I can't quite say I agree. Last weekend I got to 5 wins without and issues then I got stomped over and over. This week, after finding some randoms on the app, I went flawless and even had fun with them cracking jokes the whole time. I think expecting to always go flawless or do well is unrealistic. Some matches I do great, some I do terrible. That's just how games are

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