I am honestly torn with this topic. I personally do not have either LH or NF simply because I do not have the time to dedicate to such an endeavor. Hell, I am still trying to clean up the Redrix quest because I may get an hour in the evening to play after work, and my go-to for the past 3 months has not been D2... That is not to say that I could get these pinnacle weapons even if I had all the time in the world. I have played my fair share of comp and would wager that I am probably below average, so chances are these weapons would still be well out of my reach even if given hours a day for months to really try for them. Besides all that, I get how things need to be balanced, despite Bungie's real inability to get there. These guys have been trying since 2014 to make a balanced game, yet all they ever do is create meta after meta after meta. They have too many variables to try and fit within a balanced schema we should all just acknowledge at this point that balance is out of the cards for Bungie. HOWEVER, a pinnacle weapon should perform better than your standard weapons. Why else call them "pinnacle" if they are not going to be better than any other option out there? If you make someone put in the work to obtain something you have advertised as essentially "OP", and then take away it's OP status after the fact, that is a bit disingenuous. Maybe Bungie should have thought of that BEFORE they created weapons for people to chase lol. Lastly, and this is just an aside from something I have noticed in the past few days upon returning to pvp (for the thorn): [b]you can easily tell when someone has earned that LH, or rather had someone else get it for them.[/b] I have never used the gun, but I have to assume there is skill required in it's use as I had matches with people rocking that thing and ending a match with efficiencies well below 1. And then seeing my Ikelos HC outgun someone with a LH, and it is clear that someone had some serious help lol

It’s been 8 months. A new meta is in order. Sorry, I think it needs to happen.

cancel lunas and NF nerf bungie

So for better balance you want the most used gun type (HCs), the ones no one uses (110,140,150) buffed, making them used more, pushing up HC usage overall, making it even more unbalanced. Well done Sherlock

It was a lazy way to address people complaining about being beaten by better players. If its not Luna it will be something else Even if bungie got off their lazy butts to address the sandbox and not just nerfing weapons repeatedly guardians would be complaining about this or that weapon. As if 9 rimes out of 10 that guy who earned NF isnt better than 80% of the the other guys running around like chickens without a head in the crucible. Dont get me wrong. Luna should be available as a QP reward...and it is annoying to go up against teams on dust rock, luna, wardcliff...but the answer was never nerf it out of load outs. Thats lazy poor planning by bungie. The answer is sandbox updates and development. Looking at perks, archetypes, bloom, range and ammo. Maybe even matchmaking and exotic performance. Its definitely not nerfing Luna. And i think we need to keep Luna and NF separate. Those guardians earning NF can likely beat you with any HC or load out.

I get that you took two months to get NF but even you must know that it’s the easiest gun to use in the game. My kd went from a 2.6 to a 3.1 once I got NF. I literally don’t lose a single gunfight and it’s not because of how good I am it’s because of my weapon. I don’t know about you but I think using NF is very boring. I think hand cannons should’ve stayed like eyasluna and palindrome in D1 where accuracy is rewarded

I couldn’t agree more. I spent moths giving my blood sweat and tears for the LH and NF, for that to all be for nothing. Are they going to nerf the Erentil or Jotunn. I get killed more by these weapons in PvP, than all of the other pinnacle weapons. In my opinion removing shotguns from the primary slot would fix a lot of issues. It would mean people would have to choose between either running shotgun or using their pinnacle weapons thus removing the ability to shotgun ape and use the pinnacle weapons. Or as you say buff the other hand cannons I have played since the D1 beta and I’m starting to loose faith now. DON’T CHANGE THESE WEAPONS BUNGIE!

I’m happy they’re nerfing them. Why give the best players a competitive advantage... it makes no sense. It widens the performance gap like a F1 car turning up at a banger rally. All players should have access to the best weapons with a grind.

Wooo hooo finally nerf those cursed guns that make crucible unbearable about time the meta broke good job bungie i approve 100% you finally did something smart

To all those arguing for the nerf, why do the guns need to be nerfed at all? Why not eliminate bloom, decrease pulse rifle recoil, and buff snipers and fusions? Bungie has a terrible history of going on a nerf cycle, why cant they just make other weapons more reliable?

Why are you complaining. Luna will become better for PvE because of the damage increase . It will do 150 RPM damage with the recoil and stability of a 180. And it still kills in 3 headshots or 2 headshot 1 body in crucible.