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Edited by Kai Zodiac:
9/28/2014 4:46:44 PM
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Young COD players, please stop crying...
We could peruse these salt mines for weeks and never finish reading the gripes and complaints posted by the player base. That's motivation for Bungie or any development company to strive to improve. It's sort of a checks-and-balances relationship between the devs and the players, and that's GOOD. It's sort of a ying-yang style push and pull between the two sides. That's what will make this product better in the future.
What a lot of consumers who lack MMO experience (and even some with the experience) fail to understand is that things will always be dynamic in a game model like such. There will constantly be changes. Some will be generally accepted as good, while others not so much. Ultimately, though, it's our input that fuels these changes one way or another. No dev team will do everything perfect, but they want us to be happy with their product. That's where their money comes from.
No changes are permanent. For those who haven't participated in this "ever-changing", constantly updated type of genre, you may not know what a hotfix or a patch really is. While there are some fixes that we may not agree with, they are merely temporary fixes until they can come up with a permanent solution. Ultimately, they do plan to address the loot system as they've clearly stated. But they can't rush into certain fixes because if they factor one thing wrong, it could break the game. Major things like this take more than just a couple of days.
I guess, in summation, I'm saying this: changes are constant, they have to be very carefully implemented, and your feedback is key, but [b]stop bashing the developers.[/b] It's shows nothing but a lack of maturity and understanding for this type of matter. They'll fix things. Then break them. Then fix them. Then break them. That's the inevitable cycle of an MMO or "shared world shooter."
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3 RepliesSo "Bungie PLEASE go fu😜k yourselves for removing the ascendant shards from the Queen's Scrap, and killing PvE loot drops for at least the weekend." is what we should be saying?
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5 RepliesThis is not a -blam!-ing MMO you idiot. -blam!- you and your family
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Call of Duty belongs in the trash.
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7 RepliesCOD SUCKS!!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOL
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21 Replieswatch some of the old vidocs from a year ago we used to have the ability to go as far as Saturn there used to be more story as seen by the footage of the queens brother on earth there used to be more public event such as fallen assuslt where a mini fleet appears being angry at a dev for a game not being the genre you like is childish being angry at a dev for lieing about features or lieing in interviews to convince you to buy a game you wouldnt like while at the same time restricting reviewers giving out unbiased opinions of the game until after release and refusing to put in social features that are common practice in most games all these are valid reasons to be angry and you cant be surprised at people being overly passionate about something they paid a decent amount of money for no other reason than to give them joy
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4 RepliesPosts about maturity, thinks the only people who complain play COD.. Sure man
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5 RepliesYes there are a lot of immature posts on both sides I think. Cod has a better pvp so did halo This game is failing as an mmo and a fps and is an average 6/10 at best but neither the haters or bungie fanboys will admit it.
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Cod players feel how it is to lose and not be cocky they deserve it we all learn guys. We all make mistakes.
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5 RepliesEdited by RageQuitRelief: 9/27/2014 4:27:40 AMSad that you have become accustomed to devs who break, fix, break fix- especially in a game that took a long time to develop and has not lived up to the hype. This many nerfs (and proposed gun nerfs) this early into the game is unsat.
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6 RepliesSolid post. I think a lot of the console FPS folks dont understand how an MMO works. Nothing wrong with that but screaming bloody murder is over the top i agree.
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2 RepliesThat's a fine argument until the 'breaking things' could be avoided with the foresight of mildly-concussed Labrador. They've acknowledged a need for nerfs in some areas, buffs in others, but the nerfs are now, the buffs are... uh... sometime later. Probably. Maybe. It's mean-spirited and genuinely baffling. Why don't they run these things by a young child just to sanity-check them? The most recent patch, for example. With no rewards once you've got your legendaries, what point is there to continuing to do anything with the event? Play a harder version of a mission, but minus any kind of reward this time! Yeah, that's real appealing. Hell, I struggle to see how anyone even on the team could fail to see how dismal a 'solution' that is, let alone if they'd bothered to run it by someone who had some distance. That's not 'fixing and breaking'. That's just a -blam!--up, straight-out. An [i]avoidable [/i]one, at that. Avoidable -blam!--ups deserve criticism.
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4 RepliesEdited by NERD RAGE XB1: 9/26/2014 12:53:30 PMI'll still continue to post and say whatever the hell i feel like. Weather you agree or disagree or feel i should not comment at all ... Is not my concern. But.. Thanks... For the feedback.. And the whole cod assumption thing is tired, try something new. i didn't read any of your post really based only on that. Its our complaints and anger along with reasonable discussions that drive change. I can be reasonable, rational, fair and make good points. . And i can also be an angry douche bag, making argumentative comments just to troll and still make good points. What i cant be.. Is only one of those
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3 RepliesThe game can be whatever Bungie want it to be, but as long as they expect us to thank them for giving us a $60 game with $20 worth of content in it I am going to have problems with this game.
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7 RepliesTotally agree with the above post. Maybe all of the people who are complaining should take a step back and realize that this is the first time bungie has ventured out of their usual game model. It takes a lot of hard work to develope a game that everyone will like. To all the cod fanboys and whiners; go create your own damn game if this one is so terrible. No one is forcing you to continue to play. If you got even 8 hours of enjoyment out of this title than that's probably more than most $60 games out there now.
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2 RepliesQuick point- what was the beta for? It was open for long enough to discover the cave "exploit" (normal MMO behavior). Surely anyone with half a brain would realize that if you offer Queen's gear, people will break it down for shards because to even beat the missions you need to have superior armor? My point being, the whole cycle is out of sync and leads to dead-ends. These "fixes" aren't that- they're game-breaking in their own right because the system was already borked.
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1 Reply[quote]We could peruse these salt mines for weeks and never finish reading the gripes and complaints posted by the player base. That's motivation for Bungie or any development company to strive to improve. It's sort of a checks-and-balances relationship between the devs and the players, and that's GOOD. It's sort of a ying-yang style push and pull between the two sides. That's what will make this product better in the future. What a lot of consumers who lack MMO experience (and even some with the experience) fail to understand is that things will always be dynamic in a game model like such. There will constantly be changes. Some will be generally accepted as good, while others not so much. Ultimately, though, it's our input that fuels these changes one way or another. No dev team will do everything perfect, but they want us to be happy with their product. That's where their money comes from. No changes are permanent. For those who haven't participated in this "ever-changing", constantly updated type of genre, you may not know what a hotfix or a patch really is. While there are some fixes that we may not agree with, they are merely temporary fixes until they can come up with a permanent solution. Ultimately, they do plan to address the loot system as they've clearly stated. But they can't rush into certain fixes because if they factor one thing wrong, it could break the game. Major things like this take more than just a couple of days. I guess, in summation, I'm saying this: changes are constant, they have be very carefully implemented, and your feedback is key, but [b]stop bashing the developers.[/b] It's shows nothing but a lack of maturity and understanding for this type of matter. They'll fix things. Then break them. Then fix them. Then break them. That's the inevitable cycle of an MMO or "shared world shooter."[/quote] *Applause* Someone gets it. That is why my thread is not about bashing. It's about finding solutions in a respectful manner. Finding balances.
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2 RepliesWay back when dinosaurs roamed Earth and we didn't have online gaming, developers would push out terribad titles and there were no patches or hotfixes. We had to just play it out. I'm glad to be living like George Jetson with all of the interwebs at my disposal, but I (all of us who played video games by the quarter) have built an appreciation for the current state of gaming and development studios/titles that provide service after purchase. People that are old enough to have real jobs understand that fixes don't always come instantaneously. We don't stomp our forum feet and whine that every little hitch is "game-breaking". We ride it out. We make sensible posts aimed towards the proper department with rational solutions. TL,DR; Kids: HTFU, STFU and let the adults work.
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1 ReplyI agree with this post almost completely, so long as you realize everyone who plays COD isn't an asshole or someone to discredit. :)
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4 RepliesHaving legitimate complaints is one thing. But from what I've seen on these message boards its more like immature kids bashing the developers and whining about everything they can think of. I say kids because I would assume that most adults would act like adults.
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6 RepliesNovember will be here soon enough
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Agreed. More people need to read this.
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Thank you.
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4 RepliesEdited by Qrow The Drunk: 9/26/2014 1:19:17 PMI'm ok with most of the fixes they make, I understand them from a developer stand point. Changing the Queens bounties to not allow shards after breakdown just means no one with legendary gear will see the need to play those, after all, you need shards more than gear at that point. What I don't agree with is changing the stats on a weapon players have grinded to improve because they don't feel that was how it should be played with. If they nerf the auto rifles because they feel they are over used after players grinded to upgrade them, then of course people, including myself will complain.
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3 RepliesI do not agree that the cycle fix break then fix again should be an acceptable course for these companies.
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7 RepliesI don't understand people sometimes. In other mmos if someone has a complaint, then "Oh that person must be a kiddie wow player." In this game instead of wow it's "Oh that person must be a kiddie cod player." What is the point of assuming someone plays a game just because they have a certain opinion? I play cod bops2 and I also enjoy playing this game. But by your logic, since I play cod I can't enjoy this game and I'd do nothing but say how sucky this game is because of x or y reason. It's as if some people think they are higher on the evolutionary charts of humanity because they play a certain game. Get off your high horse. People have reasonable complaints about this game and just because they have some complaints, it doesn't mean they play cod.
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Great post! I was just talking to a friend about gamers these days... I'm 32 and had just about every console from Atari to the PS4.
