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Edited by Speaker:
12/13/2025 8:08:47 AM
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"Indie" games
I have a rant to make; regarding the industry's definition of "indie games"... in my humble opinion, its pure bullshit, and the people going along with it and defending it are unwittingly doing harm to actual indie developers.
Indie does not mean a smaller studio that just happens to be "obscur" and suppprted by a bigger producer, it does not mean an i dustry game that is merely "Not AAA"; no, It means... an INDEPENDENT -blam!- DEVELOPER.
Calling a developer supported by a larger studio, "indie " is a spit in the face of actual independant devs, and whats more, the industry wants you to go along with that. They want you to think only they can make games, when the fact of the matter is, Silksong was practically made by one person,(yes i know it was actually 3 people) and numerous big games this year were developed and produced by actually independant devs.
Im sure Expedition 33 was a a good game, but stop trying to gaslight people into thinking it was indie when its French development studio is supported by a producer headquartered in Singapore.
Words. Have. Meaning. When you manipulate definitions to make your product seem more impressive it dilutes the efforts and actually impressive work of truly independant devs. Its selfish, its shitty and it makes me not want to play your game.
Rant over.
Tldr; the game awards are still a sham, and now they can add boldly dishonest to their descriptors.
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2 RepliesAll their awards got taken away. https://insider-gaming.com/indie-game-awards-disqualifies-clair-obscur-expedition-33-gen-ai/
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2 RepliesI agree that "Indie game" is loosely defined but strict definition of a... Genre? of games could cause more problems.... especially if the tryhard types start going on and on about technicalities.... How many sub genres of game and award and...the list goes on it then would potentially create a stack of dominoes waiting to explode..... I'm not disagreeing... transparency on who what when where when and why going into making a game should be very transparent but it might end up being more trouble than it's worth depending on how things go...
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6 RepliesAll the definitions I’ve found online say basically the same thing: indie devs are [i]typically[/i] small & not supported by [i]major[/i] publishers. I think that’s why E33 is considered an indie game. Their publisher is relatively small, & was itself founded by a handful of indie dev studios. I’d imagine most indie devs still work with publishers, with the exception of all the $2 UE/Unity slop on Steam.
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Edited by Suessian: 12/17/2025 12:35:14 AMActivision can make a sub studio that's fully funded by Activision with all of Activision's Industry veterans as Developers, and that studio can make a Call of Duty game, and Geoff Keighley would call it an Indie game.
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6 RepliesIt's not God's-gift-to-gaming like many are making it out to be, but it is an absolutely fantastic game that deserves all the praise it gets... ... HOWEVER... ... there were several equally great games this year that aren't getting the attention THEY deserve because [i]E33[/i] is dominating the conversation and it's sweep of the game awards is just exacerbating the issue. It's like a kid who got 1st place in the state science fair but is completely ignored because all Dad wants to talk about is the brother who's starting quarterback in the state finals.
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6 RepliesMost over glazed game of all time
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Preach! [spoiler]The game awards have been a shame for years now so I really don't care what they have to say. [/spoiler]
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idk i’ll just keep playing half sword
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2 RepliesStay mad, Kojimacel. Clair Obscur never loses
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I do think small studios should still be called indie. Like, Wizard With a Gun still had a team behind it, and they were supported by Devolver Digital, but I’d still say they were indie, but theit team was a far cry from something like CoD, and Devolver’s whole deal is they back indies. That said, there does definitely need to be a line drawn… I’m just not exactly sure where to draw it. I don’t know enough about the studio behind Expedition 33 to speak for them. I think part of the problem is it’s not common enough for a studio to be big enough to not be considered “indie” but small enough to not be AAA/AA, so there’s not a term for it. That said, at least when people call Expedition 33 indie, they are still thinking about what that means. A lot of people call Dave the Diver indie when it’s very much not even by the loosest definitions. Even the developers say it’s not indie.
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Edited by Cultmeister: 12/14/2025 3:22:51 AMKind of a mid-2000s take but same goes for indie music. If they’re signed on to a WMG associated label then they’re not an indie group, idc how many of them are wearing dress shirts, converse, waistcoats and tweed jackets while singing about their sad rainy middle class upbringing.
