People have lives outside the game. We want to actually do something when we play. So our options are get through an entire Raid with a skilled group, or spend our entire time teaching one encounter to people.

No, Bungies business model breeds toxicity. Not us. We are constantly being screwed over by Bungie and you expect people not to react to it? Even Bungies YouTube brigade has turned against them. Bungie is genuinely an awful company and they literally don't care as long as they have people who hand over money for overpriced drip fed content. This isn't the same Destiny 1 crew who made the franchise we all love, it's almost an entirely new crew who have zero ambition to make the game actually fun. I'm glad that everyone's deciding to get a refund of Lightfall. Just watch how empty it will be since half of it will be behind Eververse and seasonal missions. Edit - so you make a post and then call people "pathetic" for voicing their opinions? It seems you're now the toxic part of the community. A little ironic don't you think?

If new player want to be taught or carried through something, then they can make a Fireteam. I have no time to help someone get through an activity, that’s why I always put 10+ clears. New players want to complain about not getting taught anything, you know what I do? Watch a video on YT, make a Fireteam saying it’s my first time running through it and boom I’m set.

The community is only toxic because the developers lack communication and common sense. They act like players with developer powers. You can easily tell the game is being managed by developers who thumbs are absent when it comes to being players but heavy when it comes to handling changes and adjustments. Simply clueless. The game worked better when players were sent out to play test the game at the studio and provide feedback.

[quote]The title says it all….. We as a community have become toxic players. I’m sure players are gonna read this and call me out and disagree but it’s all over the forums. Look at how many players have never completed a raid, how many have never gotten to experience the whole game, just the same old stuff. Yeah we can blame bungie for a lot of the problems but what have we as a community done to help those players? How many times have you ran a new player through a dungeon? How many times have you ran a new player through a raid? Yeah I get it the raids on D2 suck cause of the damn raid token BS but still have we really tried? I know I ran 14 players through to get Gjallarhorn. Yeah I’m not a raid expert, I don’t claim to be. I fail, I die and we wipe but we have fun while we are doing it. We really have to do better at helping new players and players that don’t have clan mates or friends on. We post “must have 5 clears and blah, blah, blah.” but how do we expect players to be good and learn if we don’t teach? Yeah I know we have good people in our community but the bad outweighs the good in this situation. That’s my rant, roast it, tell me I’m wrong, do or say whatever but the truth is the truth. Stay safe guardians.[/quote] Toxic is the new buzzword if it doesn’t align with your agenda Toughen up and learn a new word or two, don’t parrot what others say

This is such a misguided generalization of the community... First and foremost, not everyone WANTS to run a raid, WANTS help, WANTS to play with other people. Completion statistics don't paint the whole picture. Second, the "community" is not some structured and tangible thing. It's an amorphous mass of players from every part of the world, with different languages, beliefs, interests, priorities, ages and time schedules. Third, to try and label the "community" as toxic, because some people get left behind... that's literally life. People have always and will always be left behind. Others will choose to not participate from the get go. There's plenty of helpful people in one city/state/country, but the ones in need are far beyond their reach in another area. Or, the help they are offering isn't useful for whoever may be in need. Reality is that some people will not get the help they need, and others will run themselves ragged trying to help everyone. Why not turn the game off and go do some 'real good' in the world, help people that actually need it, not the people who have the luxury of playing a video game? Hell... you may already do that, and if so, great. But even if this is the case, you understand you cannot ALWAYS be doing that, and need time for your own needs, your own relaxation, your own interests. LFG is simply a reflection of that. Finally, who are you to throw stones about raid clears when you admit you're not helping for them either? I've got several hundred sherpas under my belt, does that make my opinion, my "truth" more valid than yours? No. Of course not. But try to keep that in mind when you are trying to scold the community as a whole, when you know almost nothing about the individuals involved. There's clans recruiting, all the time. There's sherpa LFGs, discords, and other groups, a google search away. There's helpful posts on the forums, every LFG website, reddit, facebook groups, etc. There's plenty of help out there, be it in the form of people to play with, guides to read or watch, or loot to be the carrot and inspire you to go get. All too often I read posts from people who choose NOT to engage with all of these options and instead call everyone else toxic, elitist, sweaty, and how dare anyone else have fun while THEY aren't getting all the best loot, meanwhile they barely put ANY effort into seeking the help, trying to learn, getting better at the game, practicing their aim and awareness etc. The world is full of crap, and crappy people. But, in polite society, you'd be amazed at how great we actually have it. Don't let the bad apples distract you from the TRUTH.

You can't just make a blanket statement about a community and then claim it as truth. Ironically, it's a self fulfilling prophecy. I think it's more toxic to flame an entire community, but that's just me. There are LFG's and clans and all sorts of stuff for new players. Some people aren't into that. You can't fault people for not wanting to constantly teach new players how to do the most basic crap when Youtube is a thing.

I get it. I’m divided on this issue. Yes, there are guardians that haven’t completed a raid. But some of them are Solar Warlocks running Crown of Tempests, and using Sweet Business as boss damage. And no matter how many times you explain the concept of “builds” to them, the continue to run what they have. I love sherpa-ing folks through raids. Helped dozens out that way. But some folks simply lack the ability or tha capability to understand. It’s not their fault for not being able, but it is their fault for not doing things to mitigate their faults. The FOMO that makes players try activities above their pay grade is what’s driving this. And they’ll even pay others to login to their accounts just to have stuff to lord over their buddies. It’s the very structure of the game at fault. So play, or don’t. But understand that sometimes things are always out of reach for a chunk of those people that want them.