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10/3/2018 6:15:22 AM
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Destiny 2 Forsaken: How to fix the story.

Ok, I was so disappointed with the Forsaken story. It was a waste. Cayde's death was obviously click bait advertised to hell as the main part of the campaign. It really wasn't in fact it was hardly anything. I think that was such a disservice to his character and a blatant misuse. I for one would not have killed him off as Destiny now has no characters, nobody to empathise with, and nobody to actually root for come the sequel. Everyone can actually die in my point of view now because I honestly don't care. But the devs seem to want to go with this 'edgy' and 'death meaning something' idea in the universe. (I'm sure the 'edgy' and 'dark' story line won't become aged in a little while perfectly timeless) so for the purpose of following the Dev's 'lead' I will include his death in how I believe the plot for Destiny 2: Forsaken should have gone. I for one would have like to see Cayde at the centre of a ‘Deep Stone Crypt’ DLC a legit place Cayde hates and has a malice towards the people who made him. Not only would it be ‘Dark’ but it would also show another side to Cayde stopping the ‘funny Robot’ trope he was labelled with. It would make us think about the type of man he was because he wasn’t always a ‘good guy’. But here I am showing my proposal of how the plot should have been to make an interesting and dynamic story in Forsaken. Firstly, Yes Cayde and the Guardian got to the prison of Elders to aid Petra with the escape of Uldren and the Barons and you play the mission as normal. Cayde does his drop the control centre on the ground floor to reach the Barons and and the epic fight ensues. In the scuffle the Rifelman destroys Cayde's Ghost, leaving him mortalised and the other Barons swoop in on him. However, Uldren does NOT kill Cayde and just as the Barons are about to Finnish him off our Guardian comes in and rescues him. The rescue in this case is to get Cayde out alive, as a result it would create a new mission type where you need to run. You cannot take on all 8 barons at once so you are forced to flee the prison with an injured Cayde, back to the tower. This creates a dilemma for the characters, 1. Cayde is no longer a Guardian and can die. 2. The Barons are free and once done with the shore may turn their attention onto Earth and the Last City (It is mentioned that the Trickster has plans to cause harm there) 3. Should the Guardians intervene? The Barons are clearly a threat but does it warrant the Guardian's interference at this stage? Cayde obviously unhappy with this wants to go after the Barons despite everything since he locked them up and doesn't want them running rampant so he vouches for action to be taken place, contradicting Zavala's idea of purely protecting the city creating tension between the two. Zavala could even show some forcible character development by even berating Cayde for going alone and saying what it cost him, his Guardian-hood. It would show a side to Zavala as he wants to protect Cayde and the people of the city but his stern way is difficult to understand. When placed into an argument with a character like Cayde it creates a division, both characters are right and both are wrong respectively. As a result of this division Cayde against everyone judgement goes to the Reef to track down the Barons, even if it means his life. According to his lore, what else has he got to lose? A character like him would never give up nor would be care about the risks even if he was subject to death (This is evident of him running off to Nesus in D2 even at the risk of death. He puts the world on his shoulders and his pride stops him from asking for help.) Zavala thus grows angry with Cayde and forbids anyone from going after him saying we need to stay to the city although it may have hurt him internally. That’s when the Guardian comes across someone who wants them to go after Cayde and bring him back, Ikora. (She says that he has probably been her longest and healthiest friend thus she is the one who sends you behind Zavala's back to aid Cayde) creating a divide in the Vanguard as you see Ikora in a more rebellious light. Thus you head to the Reef and team up with Petra to track down Cayde. Meeting the like such as the Spider to achieve this goal. You learn that Cayde is on pursuit of one of the Barons and is about to strike at one (This yes would force 1 Baron to become a mission and not selected at the players Choice but tbh I honestly don't care about the 'You can pick an chose which you have to kill.' Because you just kill them all anyway so it really has no impact) You go to aid Cayde and together you take down one of the Barons. However, this puts Cayde in danger as the other Barons now know he is here. Exposed and very killable. He ultimately puts price on his own head for taking action thus its a race. A race to put the Barons down before they can get to Cayde. I always remember this quote 'A need to save a life, is more fulfilling than the desire to avenge one.' During the time of the Baron hunt Cayde and the Guardian talk more and become more acquainted, Cayde could perhaps even share some of his lore and stories which would help the more casual player build an understanding of him if they have not taken the time to read it. It would also show Cayde in a new way rather than the 'Funny Robot' and show that he is a much deeper character then first to be taken for. During the second 3rd of the Campaign Uldren returns to the shore, Cayde upon hearing this wants to put an end to it goes after him hoping to end it there and then. At this point there are maybe lets say 3 Barons still alive and they are with Uldren. Its a trap. A trap that Cayde somewhat puts his foot in and it gives the Barons a chance to finish what they started in the prison. Then it happens. Uldren takes The Ace of Spades and does shoot Cayde. Leaving him for dead and heading to the watch tower. I would also write Uldren different in this, I would have it that he enjoys Killing Cayde more so than it seems he did in the Forsaken Campaign. Trying to make Uldren like this tragic Shakespearean villain was a mistake in my point of view. And I would have had it that he took immense pleasure in putting Cayde down rather than this 'oh he was misunderstood and tricked' idea. No there should be pleasure in his actions creating someone we could hate. The Guardian finds Cayde and the two exchange words until Cayde ultimately dies. I actually didn't mind how the death was shown in the game but Cayde needed more time with the Guardian. The Guardian and Cayde needed to establish a friendship (According to Amanda Cayde finds it hard to make friends so having the Guardian as a genuine friend he knows and builds trust upon in the campaign rather than the 'oh you saved me on Nesus' idea would have been so much better, especially adding meaning to the 'Ace in the Hole' mission.) Thus now it is a tale of revenge. Not just revenge of a Vanguard or a fellow Guardian. But revenge of a friend. The Guardian proceeds to kill the other Barron and heads for Uldren along with Petra who now understands Uldren's plans and seeks revenge in her own right. This then leads to the ending where the Guardian (In my version) Shoots Uldren and thus the revenge is done, leading onto the end game content. It would also be more impact that Cayde is brought back to the tower at the end of the campaign for proper burial and the characters reflect more than before seeing the regret on Zavala then would be more satisfying as he has to somewhat understand that his 'leadership' may be at fault in some area creating an ideal of self-doubt in the character. The Red War and now the death of a friend makes him uncertain. Ikora also coming to terms with the idea she should have done more establishing her as a sympathetic character as in a way like Cayde she is truly alone. In the idea of the long term the Vanguard should become unstable, buckle and even fall, showing that Cayde’s death actually meant something had meaning and wasn’t just for an advertising campaign. Thus Cayde is laid to rest not just as a plot device but as a friend. That's just how I would have done it. Its far from perfect and needs a lot of smoothing out. But its how I would have said goodbye. Cayde will just be replaced with someone and the statuesque will remain the same as ever, no drama no uncertain future. Thanks for reading if you got this far. Appreciate it Take Care everyone. -Steam.
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  • We're just gonna last wish him back from the dead in one of the annual pass expansions :D

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    • Edited by MindfulPizza: 10/8/2018 11:01:35 AM
      story , there was a story till cayde death ? destiny story was hidden behind a 3rd party app, or 4 wall that no one even new there was a story, destiny 2 story we killed a gual a red legend dude , Everything else story wise is lock behind a pay wall , that broken as hell to lose guardians, since there to cheap to run dedicated servers, cosmetic us and ship interior us , and clan hall us , and fireteam us right. till this day 90% of destiny community never even got a chance to see the light house on destiny 1 , and destiny 2 doing same thing were tell people if they like try the game there never going get chance to play any endgame , content . move on . got love bungie motto. do not play are game .

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    • So I guess we are posting fan fiction in the forums now?

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      • Just swap out cayde with the speaker, uldrun with Ghaul

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      • This would be way better than original.

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        • Their might be somthing more to Cayde's death then we might have seen so far. Remember in Cayde's final stand, he was able to pull off the new solar hunter Subclass super. He's also said before that he has seen the ''same'' creepy taken trees that we had in our trip to IO. Maybe the Traveler had known their would be nothing that could stop his eventual death but also came up with an idea to put Cayde in a more useful position. It's my theory that we did shoot Udran to death but not with a normal bullet. Remember how Uldran shot the crystal in a fit of rage and ran out of bullets. I'm thinking he never reloaded the gun but kept it around because darkness is attracted to the light. Thus when Fake Mara was using Uldran to get her way with certain phrases, the light in the gun acted to push the truth, thus he says ''Something's wrong''. Ikora says that light still lingers even if a person dies. Perhaps that light or spark was still in Cayde's beloved gun. So when we rose the gun again after doubt, we fired the bullet that ended his life but also purged him of the taken corruption. >_> <_< Just my thaughts. I know no answer will truly satisfy you and talking might be pointless. But I liked what you had to say. Not many a times I get to see someone who put more thaught into somthing, other than Lore.

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          • If killing Cayde-6 off got people back into the game, imagine when they bring him back in Y3. The storyline could be how you go off to retrieve Cayde-6 consciousness that a portion was taken when he was trapped in the Vex network and then you go off to Mars where Ana uses "Braytech" to bring Cayde-7 to life while you have to go around various planets to collect parts. Zavala can be the constantly lecturing you in the background about how your needed to guard a pot plant back on at the tower rather than trying to bring Cayde back. You see with your story it ends there, with their story they can expand and re-use Cayde to bring even more people back.

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            • While I can appreciate the effort you put into your post I just have to make a seemingly asshole-ish comment. Caydes death and the escape of the barons and uldren was used to pose many moral questions about the actions of guardians. In the loading segment mission “nothing left to say” ghost starts off saying, “the what we’re doing is just as important as the why.” It poses the question of, “are we truly doing the right thing?” Also, the barons taunting us with how we like killing and we’re Murderers makes you wonder more about this. Then uldrens last words, “the line between light and dark is so very thin, do you know which side you’re on?” This makes you wonder if you should have just arrested uldren and have him stand trial for killing cayde and a lot of other awoken. I mean, he was really delusional and crazy from being taken, but when he was “normal” at the end of the forsaken primary campaign, he seems to be really clear headed. I’m not saying that you’re wrong, just that caydes death was used in a different way than everyone expected.

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              • I'm not even going to read past the first part simply because you couldn't comprehend the part where they NEVER hyped Cayde's death as the center of the Campaign. They literally told us it was the BEGINNING. If you're not smart enough to follow THAT... I'm not forcing my precious brain cells to read whatever drivel you came up with after that.

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                • I thought it was a good story, but I didn't like the fact they didn't let you fight sov yourself and decide whether to spare or kill him. I also think the barons should have been story missions and not adventures.

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                  • Forsaken’s story was good, I’d be interested in a fix for CoO and Warmind

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                    • Is this just a long, "they should not have killed my lover Cayde6" post?

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                      • One thing about this: just because a guardians ghost is dead doesn’t mean that they aren’t a guardian anymore. It just means that the next time they die, they aren’t coming back. Eris is a different case because she had her light drained from her and then began using hive magic instead of light.

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                        • You care about the campaign story in this game? I stopped caring halfway through D1 and just focused on the lore, which is much cooler. I honestly couldn’t care less that cayde died. He ain’t my vanguard lol. He didn’t give me invective

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                          • Many wanted a more in depth and dramatic story, the departure of Nathan Fillion imo gave Bungie that path which was to kill off an iconic character. Much like the drama and speculation surrounding Mara Sov's death/survival during The Taken King. The Death of Cayde seems final but who knows? the Vex have time travelling tech that we may be able to utilize at a future time or installment of the franchise to travel back to intervene and change the course of Destiny entirely. Perhaps could be a tie-in with the Stranger we know she was from an alternate time-line maybe Cayde had some info on a yet un-met enemy that we need to aquire to defeat it?? Who knows but it gets you thinking and that's what effective stories do

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                            • Bungie arent amazing story tellers. All for their good stories were out sourced, fall of reach, etc. Bungie themselves arent great story tellers. They are decent at best. I never throught the story would stick to the revenage western theme they put up.

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                            • The story is fine. Get over yourself.

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                              • I stopped reading after I realised how infatuated you are with Cayde.....

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                                • Here’s how we fix the story, we don’t touch it just because you’re a Cayde fanboy and hated that your guy died 😁

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                                  • You don't read lore lol. Dumb post.

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                                    • You already paid. They don’t care. I don’t know what more they could do to demonstrate that.

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                                      • Didn't you make this same post last week?

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                                        • I swear you’ve already posted this a few weeks ago?

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                                          • This is garbage.

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                                            • Fillion got offered better stuff. Bungie had to kill cayde and make profit somehow.

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