Just to clarify, I'm a guy.
My little sister plays online with my brother and I all the time, she's 15. On a regular basis she has to hear obscene comments and inappropriate jokes made at her expense because of all the immature little shitheads who think they should say whatever they want.
Girls are treated like they are worthless when they get online, like the butt of a joke. Obviously, there are good guys who would never be so inconsiderate, probably most guys are cool, but there are still too many that actively ruin the experience for girl gamers. They shame them for being girls and objectify them. That's why so many girls avoid joining parties or using lfg forums.
(Edit 5: apparently I need to make something clear. I'm not talking about joking around or even making some friendly jabs. I'm not talking about trash talk. I'm talking about genuine HARASSMENT. There is nothing, NOTHING, okay about some adult guy telling my 15 year old sister she makes him want to masturbate. There is nothing okay with telling her that she is giving him a hard on. These are genuine experiences that she has encountered that I happened to be in the party for. I'm not saying it happens everyday, not even every week, but still way more often than it should.)
So when I apologize on behalf of men, feel free to treat me like I'm being a white knight, trying to get attention for myself. Just be aware that it makes you a part of the problem because you trivialize the terrible treatment that the female part of our community has to endure just to take part.
Sorry ladies.
Edit: I've always been a believer that we've approached bullying in our society from the wrong direction. I believe that instead of punishing bullies we should focus on raising the self worth and esteem of our youth and the problem will take care of itself.
But that doesn't alter the fact that as a community, as gamers, we have a very large sexism problem that a lot of people continue to deny exists. Should girls be able to handle it better, probably... But we can't expect the victims to do all the changing. If we want the gaming community to improve, we have to be willing to accept that as guys we need to make a change and influence each other to treat the ladies, our fellow gamers, better.
Just like we cant deny racism exists, guys... We can't deny this is a problem.
It's not the only one, but the one I'm addressing here.
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Tl;dr- they're hiding because they are sick of being treated like crap by immature guys.
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I'm not trying to make a point about racism or singling out white people, I'm just using that example as a comparison. There are hundreds of others I could come up with.
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It's really simple, we should treat the girls with respect. I don't understand how there's any opposition to this. This thread started out pretty positive and now the crappy side of the community is showing its colors. It's ugly.
Edit 6: 2000 Replies wow. It's not all good but I've seen some awesome discussions taking place.
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4 RepliesDon't misunderstand, I empathize with your sisters situation. However, "So when I apologize on behalf of men" I would suggest you not use a phrase such as that again. I am a man. Why are you apologizing for me? I didn't harass your sister, or anyone... I haven't at least intentionally hurt anyone, If i do I do my own apologizing. But what you're saying is, you're apologizing for essentially 50% of the population for having a penis. It's an ignorant statement and you've lumped everyone, yourself included into being some demonized... thing.... I don't believe It was your intention, but in phrasing that the way you did... well you simply did. [b][u]Do not apologize on behalf of men[/u][/b]. [b][u]It's not about gender, It's about Idiots[/u][/b]. Those people don't need to have anyone apologize for them. They need to apologize for their own behavior. I do support the idea of people being a touch more sensitive and nice with one another 100%. Be kind to one another and treat people around you as you yourself would like to be treated. If you choose not to, and yes, you have that right, understand you have lost the right to be treated with any respect.
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1 Replygirls should never be treated like this. I will beat the absolute s*** out of any people who do this
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1 ReplySorry about your sister. Nobody should be treated with such disrespect. But people are just that way. Heck, people give me crap for my gamer tag when all im asking for is repect.
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6 RepliesIt's just the nature of the internet. People say things they'd never say to your face. Im black and Ive had to deal with 12-22 year olds saying n***r this and that since COD4 came out til today. (Sidenote: I didn't notice any pervasive racism during Halo 2 and 3 MP) Going online in a competitive shooter that gives sexually frustrated teenagers their testosterone release and telling them what bothers you is a fools errand. When you're a minorty in a community without maturity your options are accept that any given person will be an asshole or just move on to other things. Everywhere we go in life isn't a safe space for fragile egos. I know these anonymous teenagers would never call me this in person because no one ever has in person. They are keyboard cowards and their words should carry the weight of a coward. Which is to say: none at all.
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Women should be treated with respect.....end of story. Btw note to that guy....If your dick gets hard over someone you can't even see, or have never even met, you have some problems.
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It makes me sick when ever I see or hear a really nasty comment about a girl like that guy said to your sister it's just awful
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Edited by Clayton85731: 10/15/2015 12:47:38 AMyes women should be treated equally 100% but half of them bring it on there selves..by saying "I'm a girl carry me thru the raid bla bla bla" using there gender to entice guys like what girls and women do outside of the gaming community in the real world..here i don't think a lot of people believe they are actually female because a normal gamer female who isn't looking for attention wouldn't do this..but yh your right ..sorry dude didn't read it all f#ck that i'd switch and hunt that f#cker down castrate than nonce !
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Bump this.
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I've run 2 raids with girls in a year and when they did I heard 0 obscene comments but I've seen plenty of obscene comments on forums so
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1 ReplyCould honestly care less what's between your legs as long as your not incompetent, rude, ect...
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4 RepliesEdited by Flewhid: 10/13/2015 5:00:34 PM#stopprematurechristmasdecorations
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Its our fault or atleast a few of us wether immature or just sexist that groups like dames exist. bullying females makes them not want to play wuth men so look for their "save haven". And then people gonna say where are the girls? I have never seen a girl playing destiny xD imo girls should just have more convidence as far as gaming goes and give back.
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3 RepliesEvery time I play with people on (COD) And I see someone do good I'll say good game or that was pretty bad ass occasionally I'll meet a girl in a lobby and see she does kick ass finally say my typical "That was pretty cool you clutched it." And then they mute me. Does not matter if I'm not flirting instead just complementing their game skills in all and I get muted that's why when I'm not playing with friends I just mute everyone at this point there's nothing that hurts more than being ignored :/
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2 RepliesIl tell you where they like to gather [spoiler]starbucks ordering a pumpkin spice latté[/spoiler]
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1 ReplyHillary Clinton, is that you?
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You sound like a really nice guy. Your sister is lucky she has you.
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Females hmu please I have no friends, girls are good friends...
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Tell ur sis to messege me so we can get it in bby
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Uhh there are female gamers who are assholes and plain -blam!-ing rude on these games. I don't give a -blam!- if you're female, male, gay, or straight, if you are a dumb, annoying person who thinks it's fun ruining everyone's fun then you should stay off the game. Even though some guys are assholes don't mean females aren't assholes too. I respect everyone equally but I draw the line when it comes to assholes, trolls, and racists on the games. If a girl doesn't talk then she doesn't talk and it saves her the trouble of confronting a horn ball small penis thrusting guy or a mean idiotic bitch who thinks she is better than everyone.
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10 RepliesYou know how to solve this problem? Use the mute button, works wonders.
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3 Repliesits a shame thats the experience you and your siblings have got dude but, welcome to the internet. everyones a -blam!-.
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1 ReplyI hate everybody equally, and they need to get over it.
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2 RepliesIntelligent post OP First step is spreading awareness
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5 RepliesNot really, from what i seen, it's a whole different story
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Couldn't agree with u more
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9 RepliesYour sister should honestly make me a sandwich