{{
`${userDetail.user.displayName}${userDetail.user.cachedBungieGlobalDisplayNameCode ? `#${standardizeBungieGlobalCode(userDetail.user.cachedBungieGlobalDisplayNameCode)}` : ""}`}}
{{getUserClans()}}
5/16/2022 1:43:28 AM
46
Console competitive is littered with M&K users
Nothing competitive about being placed in high end SBMM and having to face multiple teams with mouse in console only lobbies. There’s an obvious difference between thumb movement and wrist movement, so this is absolutely no cap. May need to implement input-based lobbies that registers a players input before it matchmakes, like how overwatch and CoD has
-
5 RepliesThey could just have a scuffed controller and surprisingly that's way more common than people including myself thought. Basically for the most part top tier players are either: M&K Scuffed controller Xim Super high sensitivity/ weird button layout. Or cheating lol. It's very unlikely to see a top tier controller player playing on default settings. And if you are I honestly salute you!
-
37 RepliesPc lobbies are littered with controller abusers
-
1 ReplyThis game is surprisingly balanced between KBM and controller. Aim assist is so uneven between the two where this shouldnt even be an issue
-
4 RepliesConsole comp is sooo easy what are you talking about??? I switched to pc and still use controller and I got unbroken this season. Your opponents input device has nothing to do with why your losing matches and most of them I guarantee are on controller not Mnk. Quit making excuses.
-
I used to game on pc’s for absolutely years and can tell straight away who’s using m&k in pvp because the kills are split second accurate kills. It’s always gonna be lopsided now because of them.
-
Some day the world will be "fair" and this post will be the reason why.
-
Edited by DHawk12: 5/19/2022 3:06:27 PMBungie literally can’t do anything about that. There are multiple devices that can dupe input so “console” players will still use m&k even when it’s not natively supported and they won’t be in m&k lobbies in games that have input based mm. 99% of cheaters in gaming are “pc” players, they either hack/cheat on pc or hop on console and use their m&k with their cheater adaptors to abuse all the loopholes for easier games. Maybe in a couple years sony/microsoft will take action and ban all 3rd party hardware but devs alone can’t do anything on the console side.
-
Bungies great way of fixing pvp. You didn’t know you wanted freezing abilities and always invisible hunters until they force it down our throats and say deal with it 😂🤦🏽♂️
-
Please refrain from posting after a PVP loss for at least two hours. "implement input-based lobbies" This just makes more sense to me. Let console players use the input method of their choice and them match people up accordingly. IDK if PS even supports M&K but it works great on Xbox.
-
5 RepliesConsidering just how many people don't even turn their sensitivity up let alone turn radius or even FOV I just don't believe you. I have got tons of fan mail in the past of people who've "played enough to tell the difference between controller and m&K" trying to tell me I've m&K plugged in because they're mad they lost. However I'm not gonna sit here and say no one ever uses m&K on console because it does happen, but absolutely no where near as much as the people on these forums want everyone to believe
-
14 RepliesWell there is XIM/Cronus, which Bungie themselves have said that it's in no way a violation of ToS to use alternative input devices to "play how you want" and to be accessible as possible. They don't give a flying fúck and neither does Sony/Microsoft so long as you aren't hacking/using malicious third party tools. Can't make this shít up.
-
I agree In a sense, but maybe instead bungie just opens up the cross play and allows mouse and keyboard use on console, and for pvp those players just pair with pc players. I also think they need to just expand the settings and accessibility in general. Allow us to adjust response curve, and give more flexibility with sensitivity Ex: why cant the ads modifier only go as low as 0.5? Why not 0.1? I personally need a higher movement sense, but a much much lower ads sensitivity to tie with it, then bungie allows. This has forced me to use a precision ring (little foamy ring you put on your thumb stick) it’s the only way I can take advantage of the high sense while also letting the ring keep me from overshooting targets. (This is after months and months of experimenting with sensitivity and thumb extendors and nothing quite clicking, till I finally realized what I needed, I couldn’t achieve through the settings) See my solution was precision rings and thumb extendors. But someone may simply say screw it I’m using a xim. Cheating and people using hardware like xims and mods is always going to be a factor, but I honestly feel a bit of this could be remedied if bungie would focus on those kinds of things more. Some people just want to play on m&k but don’t have the money to invest in a whole pc rig. In other words, maybe we need to be letting bungie know to expand functionality and settings more.
-
2 RepliesEdited by xilxad: 5/17/2022 6:29:11 AMI don’t have a problem with it, I play COD and other games cross platform and do just fine. 10 years ago M&K players would wipe up the floor with console players but things have changed, in fact I think console players have a slight advantage. And yes, I play both ways.
-
1 ReplyDid you hear that everyone? It's no cap. That's how you know it's legit! <3
-
[quote]Nothing competitive about being placed in high end SBMM and having to face multiple teams with mouse in console only lobbies. There’s an obvious difference between thumb movement and wrist movement, so this is absolutely no cap. May need to implement input-based lobbies that registers a players input before it matchmakes, like how overwatch and CoD has[/quote] There’s definitely people out there using M&K on console, but it’s impossible to tell. It isn’t actual M&K, you can’t tell by watching them move/turn.
-
Been running into a lot more chronus users lately tbh
-
2 RepliesYou have literally no way of knowing if they are using M&K unless you see their screen. Those devices just emulate controller button presses, so it would look exactly the same as someone using a Scuf controller for instance. I know they can do things controller players cant, but once again you have no way of knowing. The amount of people who actually use mouse and keyboard on console is extremely small. And of those people who do, the number of people who actually have things set up right and can play better than a skilled controller player is even smaller.
-
If you're salty hes talkin about ya
-
6 RepliesIn my 12,000+ PvP matches, I can’t say I’ve ever seen someone and thought “oh he must be using MnK” 🤷🏿♂️
-
If you can't beat 'em, join 'em
-
Give us controller-strength TLW and we'll go away
-
Lol a nother one
-
M&k: high skill gap, lower average performance by players using it, movement options are needed, sensitivity does not affect ttk, stability is unneeded stat, are absolute GARBAGE at close combat unless with special weapons, no aim assist Controller: medium skill gap, higher player average performance, movement is good but not a necessity, usually sacrifice handling for some extra stability, weapons in point blank range are amazing (sidearms and smgs excel with controller), stick asf aim assist, the faster the opponent moves the more aim assist you get (quite the counter to fast moving pc apes( As a console player who has private matched with some decent pvp players on pc and who runs pc matches sometimes with controllers, find your niche, stick with it, and literally thinking someone is using m&k on console is the least plausible thing you could imagine. No one is at a disadvantage, it’s the player base that is extremely sweaty vs the casuals that want to get in and out of crucible as fast as possible, seems to be like you are the latter
-
literally single digit amount of times have i been murdered and thought that. i play on 20 sense and get accused of mnk a ton. especially on current gen consoles it is more difficult to mnk
-
11 RepliesEdited by KidSixXx: 5/17/2022 12:07:28 PMOdd that you are concerned about an advantage with M&K. It's been my experience that M&K people always complain about how the game practically plays itself on console / controller.
-
I'm afraid it's a common problem on console. On Rainbow 6: Siege it's the same, even if the game doesn't support M&K players use adaptors to bypass the limitation. There's no much to do. Also, watching the general PvP state I really doubt that Bungie is ever going to do something about.
