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3/22/2022 8:56:42 PM
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The problem with work ethic these days

Nobody wants to work. It is becoming quite the problem. For reference, I work part time at my local hospital as a housekeeper. I never wanted to work housekeeping, but I just kinda fell into it. Originally, I was only supposed to work summers as a groundskeeper. But my boss (who is head of the environmental services like maintenance and housekeeping) asked me if I was able to work part time during the school year as a housekeeper. The pay would stay the same and I could really make my own hours. Do I like my job? Not necessarily, but I enjoy the extra cash that it brings in. I’m perfectly content going in for 2 hours after school and taking out some trash and cleaning a few bathrooms. The days I don’t like are every other Saturday where I go in for a full day cleaning long term care. But I still go in every day (unless I’m sick or already requested off). What I really don’t understand is why we can’t get more employees (and keep them) and why people never come in when they are supposed to. When I first started my switch from groundskeeping to housekeeping, there were at least 10 housekeepers (keep in mind I live in a small town, but we still have 2 different assisted living places, long term care, basic hospital stuff, and a clinic that need to be cleaned on a daily basis). For the most part, that was enough people to cover everything. Now we have about 5 of us. None of them were part of the original group that I started with. We’ve had about 15 different people cycle in and out, plus 3 different housekeeping supervisors in the past 2 years. The problem is, some days 2 out of the 5 of us don’t show up. Why? Because there are no consequences if they don’t show up. They can’t get fired as there is no one lining up to take their jobs. Instead, the kid gets dumped on the rest of us. It’s gotten to the point where we’ve started asking the normal staff to start helping out (gathering all their trash, wiping down high touch areas, etc). The same kind of situation is going on with CNAs on long term care. I just don’t get why people don’t wanna work.
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  • im no expert on the job market, but judging by the replies here it seems unemployment pays more. seems to me like employers oughta start competing

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    • You know why people aren't working as hard as they can. Because companies treat them horribly and wages are garbage. For example. I've worked at my store for 3 years. That gets me a $1 raise. So now I make $14/hr. I'm also about to get a promotion that comes with a $1.50 raise. So that means I'll make $15.50/hr right? NOPE they take away my 3 year raise because I have gotten good enough at my job for a promotion. There is literally no reason for them to take away my $1 raise when they're promoting me, other than greed. Plenty of places pull disrespectful things like that and people are tired of it.

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      • Edited by Ogma: Destroyer of Worlds: 3/24/2022 2:20:19 PM
        I don’t know enough about your job or how large it is or how it operates, but in a general sense I don’t understand this “people don’t want to work” mentality. It’s a ridiculous notion. Nobody wants to work…. ….grunt work jobs that represent the lower side of human drudgery in our society for companies that provide the bare minimum in nearly every way they can get away with when it comes to pay, benefits, scheduling, etc. Not everyone can work their way to the top. There HAS to be bottom people. Many of these large businesses operate as though they want robots, not employees. If a job is worth having someone do because it is a part of society, because people use and rely on whatever that job provides, then it is worth the person doing it being paid a livable wage and good healthcare/benefits, etc. This is only going to get worse as the wealth gap increases and as automation hastens our path to less and less people being needed for these kinds of jobs while we continue to increase our population growth. The direction we’re going is not sustainable. The problem with work ethic these days is that people want someone to do these shitty jobs that no one wants to actually do, but they don’t want to compensate them appropriately for it.

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      • Maybe, spending 2yrs in lockdown, being treated like an expendable commodity by being layed off, and having to attend funerals via streaming over wifi has rearranged the importance of certain priorities in some ppl, including self-worth Just a guess tho

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      • It’s more that nobody wants to work -blam!- jobs for -blam!- pay.

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      • People don't wanna work for -blam!- pay, especially when they treat their employees like -blam!- too. Maybe there's a reason normal people aren't lining up for those -blam!- jobs? No, it's definitely because everyone else are lazy entitled bums. That's what the talking heads have taught me to believe so it must be true.

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        • From your sample size of five—all of which are part-time positions in an industry that suffered through the worst health care crisis in 100 years—you've extrapolated that there's a problem with [i]everyone's[/i] work ethic? Really, my dude?

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          • The problem is that nobody wants to work hard, climb the ladder and make themselves a valuable asset. Nobody wants to come to terms with the fact that there is such a thing as inequality of effort. People would rather just settle for mediocre, point fingers and smear anyone and everyone that’s higher up. Is there corporate corruption? Yes. Are some people greedy? Yes. Are you gonna let that be an excuse to not reach your potential though? The unfortunate thing is that a lot of people would say yes. I don’t care how much “greed” there is. I don’t care how “hard” things might be. It’s my life. It’s my living quality. I’m not gonna choose to live the sub par edition of life. “hUsTLe CuLtUrE iS tOxiC” lmao

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          • A lot of people make more money off unemployment, a lot of kids don't understand that they aren't entitled to higher pay. A lot of companies don't actually care about their employees. You work and you get paid, you have to put in the work to get pay! otherwise you won't last long, kids don't understand that these days and only want the money, even though half the time they aren't there and when they are they aren't useful and don't even try. If everyone was a go getter than we would be in a perfect world... more work and money for me I guess...

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          • A lot of jaded replies here... JFK's "Ask not..." speech wouldn't fly today. Did society fail us or did we fail society?

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            • Edited by Boss: 3/23/2022 6:33:58 PM
              Work ethic is gone these days. I work part time at a grocery store and I sometimes feel like I the only one doing any type of work. All the minors who work there don’t care about their job, and because I’m in the front end of the store, we rarely have any adults that aren’t cashiers or customer service. I myself am a cashier. Whenever I’m not Cashiering, though, I’m doing literally almost everything else because the minors can’t be trusted to do the tasks. [spoiler]I get that companies treat employees like garbage, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t outright just not do your job whilst on the clock. Someone has to do it, and by not doing it, you’re making someone else have to do more.[/spoiler]

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              • Ok. So I can say, where I work, I get paid decent, but I work my butt off, and average 60 hours a week. That being said, we can't get decent people through the door. When we do, for some reason the people that work here ask how much they're making and they tell them. So then the people that have been working here get mad, because the just hired someone who makes more than them. 1st off, don't tell people you work with what you're making. 2nd, people that have been here, the reason you're not getting paid, what you think you deserve, is because you don't deserve it. Their work ethic sucks, they stand around and do nothing, are busy talking, taking multiple breaks, messing around on their phones, or looking up stuff on the Google, when work needs to be done. The problem is I can't tell these people what to do, because the next thing you know, I'm in HR because I told them to do their job.

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                • 'Cause being a wage slave is bullshit.

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                • When you have big gov nanny stating and coddling, the entitled and unmotivated will do nothing so long as they are gifted free finances. If a job isn't paying enough, people won't work at it. The employer has 3 options: -Hire more people and continue to under pay them so there is a revolving door of ex-employees -Raise the wage to retain decent employees -Close shop because they can no longer offer their services Look at most fast food locations today, and how many no longer are opening their lobby, but are drive thru only, running on less than half the normal staff. It use to be that at certain hours these locations were staffed almost entirely by teens. Today it's not the case. Are they truly underpaid to flip burgers, or are they try to force and entitling themselves to this mythical $15.00 minimum wage? Mechanics and technicians in their first few years don't even make that. How is burger flipping more important, more involved, more technical, require as much training, and requires you to use your own tools to keep everyone's vehicles in operation? I don't believe that it is solely because people are tragically underpaid, though in certain arenas they can be. Right now we're tragically over taxed and are being devoured by inflation. Who is making all the decisions about these things? Those who are not negatively impacted by them, nor have any real cognitive understanding of what it is to try to exist in such a circumstance, because they have never had to. The elites are building, buying, and thriving. Right now op, you're part time. What are you going to do if you're given the option do be unemployed and still be given money by unemployment, or work and earn your income? If the latter, are you going to live within your means, or buy everything you want on credit?

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                  • Edited by TheArtist: 3/23/2022 3:03:02 PM
                    As a college roommate of mine used to say, [i]"You get what you pay for....or some fraction thereof."[/i] The problem is that we have a business paradigm here in America that views workers as expendable, and an operating cost that needs to be MINIMIZED, instead of an asset to the business in question. That is a BROKEN paradigm...and the "Great Resignation" is showing just how broken it is. As people are showing that they are unwilling---in the middle of a pandemic---to risk their lives to work what are often non-liveable wages. A "strong work ethic" is something you have to be willing to PAY for. As you go UP the wage scale and UP in the socio-economic ladder you will find that you get people with stronger work ethics, and are more professional and business like in their conduct. As a result they are more productive and cause less problems. You also buy greater loyalty with higher compensation and benefits. But if you are paying people low wages...and there are an excess of jobs? There is very little reason for them to be loyal to their employer...because their employer (as communicated through the low wages) doesn't particularly value them. So the disrespect is mutual. What has happened is that employers here in the US have grown complacent. Although the published unemployment rate has been low....that rate only measures those who are actively looking for work. It doesn't really measure those who have simply given up looking for work out of despair....or are homeless. The reality is that we have been seeing an ACTUAL unemployment rate that is rivaling that of the Great Depression. So employers have had the power to pay very low wages due to the excess of labor. But with the Great Resignation, the balance of power is starting to shift. Labor is becoming scarcer. So its becoming harder to find....and people are becoming unwilling to work for the wages that market used to get away with. Everyone is a believer in "market forces" when they work to their own advantage. But when it turns against them? Everyone becomes a "socialist" in some fashion, pretty quickly. [b]TLDR: [/b] You are willing to work because (reading between the lines) it is a stepping stone to something better. But the hospital is asking these people to risk their lives just like frontline workers...but for a tiny, tiny fraction of their pay. At many hospitals, administration are trying to take advantage of the situation to CUT the pay of these people in order to protect profits.....and their own executive salaries. ...and it isn't just janitorial staff. At a hospital in my area, negotiations between the hospital and the nurses union turned ugly as the hospital was angling to cut pay to nurses....and refused to give hazard pay bonuses (despite asking them to come to work everyday at-risk of their lives) due to the pandemic. Only the nurses decided to play hardball by putting the hospital CEOs bonus pay on a billboard on a local highway. (It was a matter of public record, so it was perfectly legal). He gets $770, 000 in [i][b]bonus pay[/b][/i], while he sits at home and works remotely....while those who are in "active combat" are actually having money taken away from them. That is why...and its why we are starting to see the social unrest we're seeing across the Western world.

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                  • I wouldn’t hire some of the people I work with to taste pies in a pie factory.

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                  • It’s because people can file for unemployment and they won’t get denied. So all of this to say, why work for money when you can sit around and get it?[spoiler]licks finger [/spoiler]

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                    • Entitlement is probably a big part of it. There is a pervasive mindset of “this work is beneath me, I should have a high paying job right out of the gate. Therefore, I will not apply to this job. It’s menial labor and I deserve better.” I have talked to dozens of people younger than I who do not understand the concept of working one’s way up the ladder. One such person was utterly convinced that their drawing abilities would automatically land them a high paying job, for instance. They are still unemployed and living off their parents entirely.

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                    • Over quarantine 1, my cousin was laid off. He worked construction, a dangerous job with unavoidable injuries. Dude is 30 and has a daughter and a mortgage. When he was laid off, he learned that he made more money off of unemployment than he did employed. How ridiculously sad is that? He stuck to his job, worked himself tirelessly, and was now better off NOT working at all. He stayed unemployed for a long time and went after job interviews. He found a job opening with a significantly larger salary at an insurance company. The previous guy quit over quarantine, and even though my cousin was overqualified for it, they ran him around in circles for months before hiring him. It is not the people, it is the system. You are not above anybody for selling yourself for less.

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                    • "small town"

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                    • Yes, I'm sure the problem is with the ~17 different members of staff that have come and gone. Absolutely not the common demonimator between them. Also throwing out that "hard-working" isn't a virtue either.

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                    • While work ethic is kinda screwed up, that's a rather miserable job, and most people would rather do something else with their time. That would be me, at least.

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                    • I work for my managers. If I like them then I give a -blam!- about how they feel, so I’m gonna work hard, because I know if the work isn’t done properly then they’re gonna get into -blam!- for it and I’ll feel bad. If I don’t give a rat’s -blam!- about them, then I am going to work as much as my mood dictates and definitely not stay on to help after my shift finishes. I always try and work ‘hard’ though, because frankly I don’t see the point of me turning up and sitting about for 11 hours a day, that just seems like a waste of my time. Other people do it and funnily enough they’re the ones complaining that they’re bored and that they’ve got so much time left of their shift.

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                    • Well when you see your paycheck, and how that would never increase based on your work ethic, why would I bring my best game if it will only enrich the CEO and not me? I think a lot of people are tired of working for companies and organization like they care because we know that companies and organizations don’t care about them or their work.

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