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6/15/2020 4:15:48 PM
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Pinnacles are why they’re doing sunsetting. The guns are broken.
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If that’s the case then why cant bungie just sun-set pinnacles, why does everything else have to be sun-setted to?
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Because signaling them out and only sunsetting them would piss more people off than all guns being sunsetted. It’s just a reality of this community. While there are also other side being it’s that likely added to them going down that path time and time again blanket changes to weapons and not targeted ones are taken better by the community.
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[quote]If that’s the case then why cant bungie just sun-set pinnacles, why does everything else have to be sun-setted to?[/quote] If only some weapons were sunset, then the weapons not being sunset would replace the ones being sunset and we would have gone nowhere.
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If they find something broken give it a Nerf. No need to delete an item that took a massive grind to obtain.
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[quote]If they find something broken give it a Nerf. No need to delete an item that took a massive grind to obtain.[/quote] So make them unusable in all activities rather than new ones?
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Just tweek them a bit if needed.
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[quote]Just tweek them a bit if needed.[/quote] There done that for both Mountain top and recluse. They both remained in more than half of all players inventory. Once nerfed, something else would replace them and you’d then have to nerf those too. If you don’t, then you’re just stuck with the same problem. Retirement keeps weapons viable in the content they released with while making them not viable in the new content a year later.
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Just add stability perks to other smgs and you will probably see recluse go and if everyone jumps when they see someone with mt about to shoot then you will probably see that less to because grenade launchers are really bad against people in the air
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[quote]Just add stability perks to other smgs and you will probably see recluse go and if everyone jumps when they see someone with mt about to shoot then you will probably see that less to because grenade launchers are really bad against people in the air[/quote] This conversation was focused on pve.
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Then add spike grenades to every grenade launcher and add stability and range perks to smgs wait why are people complaining if it’s pve, if it was pvp then I would understand but people using them aren’t against you in pve they are helping you or just getting through the mission faster
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Makes zero sense. You tweek the weapons They can still be good. It's called moderation and I know bungie struggles with that. The griind for these pinnacles was too great to just leave them behind. One reason people like them is they look cool and are fun to use. No reason to make them unviable.
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[quote]Makes zero sense. You tweek the weapons They can still be good. It's called moderation and I know bungie struggles with that. The griind for these pinnacles was too great to just leave them behind. One reason people like them is they look cool and are fun to use. No reason to make them unviable.[/quote] They’ve been usable for two years in every activity. Weapons shouldn’t remain viable in content years after its release. That ruins the loot economy. Recluse isn’t OP or better than any other smg in pve anymore. It’s the most popular because it was good and still has the Damage perk X and reload perk Y combo. New loot should be used in the new activities, not old loot.
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They aren’t being deleted. That’s the point of sunsetting. If you nerf them you make them useless, sunsetting just keeps them out of end game where the affect the experience and variety in the game. Sunsetting means you can still use mountaintop, recluse, revoker, and lunas anywhere that light level doesn’t matter like control or patrols but just excludes it from things like trials and raids.
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Edited by goatbilly07: 6/15/2020 8:07:41 PMNo you don't have to need them to make them useless. If they need a small tweek so they aren't ridiculous do so. Problem is they were to much of a grind to be deemed not ready useable. Use moderation. Think about it for a minute. It's not need them into Oblivion or sunset them. Test a dumb move on bungles part.
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There is no way to nerf them without rendering the ritual weapons crap and lower than other legendaries. They also, again aren’t rendering them unusable, they’re still usable at their current level of powerful just won’t be usable in future end game. Trials will have revoker and Luna pushes out but they’ll still be usable in control. Recluse will no longer be a barrier for raids but will still be usable in raids and probably in vanguard strikes forever. Without nerfing them you still get to keep that powerful weapon but if you nerf them they become something just to dismantle because if something is op you either nerf it to uselessness or take away what makes it special and leave it no different than all other legendaries and not special.
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There are plenty of ways to reduce their power and it wouldn't be hard. Keep them useable.
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How? Master at arms is broken as hell and any nerf would have to render it useless. Revoker needs it’s aim assist nerfed but without it being as strong as it is it isn’t a good gun. If lunas gets another nerf it’s going to be crap on all platforms and below all other hand canons when it comes to effectiveness. Mountaintop would also be just completely useless if it’s damage was nerfed at all.
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Edited by goatbilly07: 6/15/2020 11:08:40 PMNo you are thinking in a closed.minded way. Easy to balance with some thought.
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Then why don’t you tell me how to balance it? Not just say it can be balanced? Because I’ve given it thought and I’m not an idiot and remember that they have tried nerfing most of the ritual weapons without making them useless and it did nothing.
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Recluse pretty much balanced.now. Mountaintop no one got kill unless kneck or above.shot. Randy's is pretty good where it's at. Redrix maybe is ok now. It never even got a chance to shine and it was a grind to get. We is it being left behind. I could go on and on. I have zero doubts there would.be hundreds of workable ideas just from people on these forums.
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So you don’t have any actual solutions to fix the guns. Recluse is not balanced where it is, it’s one of the major reasons why sunsetting is needed. You’ve got a shit idea for mountaintop which requires grenade launchers to be completely reworked in how they do damage which would be a massively stupid thing to do rather than just sunsetting it. You have no ideas for revoker despite it being one of the other major guns that’s broken and sunsetting is aimed at. Maybe other people do have ideas but clearly you don’t. But you’re claiming it’s so easy yet you have no ideas other than to leave broken guns broken and ignore that they’re broken.
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Edited by goatbilly07: 6/16/2020 1:22:51 AMYou can give more recoil or less aim assist. Fewer in mag. Less damage per shot. You never see recluse on console by the way. It's not op. You obviously are not a nice person on top of being closed.minded and lacking creativity. Also lack ability to think outside of your preconceived ideas. Bye
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Edited by firerwolf: 6/16/2020 3:25:55 AMSo all of your solutions to fix the guns is to ruin the guns and nerf them into uselessness. Yeah that’s such a better option than allowing them to still be good but be in limited activities. And the fact that you can’t even admit that they’re op shows that you’re in denial because you can’t actually come up with a nerf to any of the guns that doesn’t ruin them and would be bette than sunsetting. Do you even have any of these weapons?
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Yes. Most except the sniper. Didn't want to get it since I k ew it was going to be left behind.. Again adjustment to the guns wouldn't be that hard to make them.decent but not op. Do you think redrix is op? Maybe you are on PC were recluse was op but on console there are.better choices for certain. No one uses it at all. Even when it was good I was rarely killed by it. Mountaintop is good but tough to use and zero room for error..rarely if ever been killed.by.it either. Most pinnacles are unique and cool weapons. The developers.spent a long time.designing. Its too badthey are not being brought forward. Also from what I have seen so far new weapons are things brought back were weapons that were ugly and boring and no one used them in the first place. If the grind for the pinnaes wasn't so excessive then yes no problem leaving them behind. Also many new light players have just got them
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Dude, you know I can see your profile, right? That there’s no way you have Randy’s and there’s no way that you made the choice not to get revoker because of sunsetting which was only announced last season and revoker has been out since before shadowkeep. Hell looking at how much you played I don’t think you ever got to fabled to get any of the weapons. Also you bring us broadsword, a weapon that is still good if you have skill with it. It’s a solid pulse rifle but if it gets rid of revoker, recluse, and Luna from end game I’m more than happy to set aside my Rady’s(my fave scout) to just game types where light doesn’t matter if it means a more balanced and less broken Eng game experience.
