[quote]Nothing I said suggests that casual players shouldn’t get to enjoy Trials. I’m happy they’re adding incentives to make it more rewarding for those players. What I’m not ok with is making it easier. That kills Trials for hardcore players, which is who it’s ultimately made for. Going Flawless is supposed to be an accomplishment. People paying for it is sad, but it doesn’t justify your feeling that you shouldn’t have to work for it.[/quote] The reason people aren't enjoying Trials is the difficulty associated with the activity. So the position you have taken is saying that casual players shouldn't enjoy trials and goes along with the Trials wasn't meant for you argument that has been used for years to defend this activity. The problem with that is that those same hardcore players cant carry the activity on their own, you need the casual players more than they need Trials. This notion of Trials needs to be difficult isn't about producing a competitive environment its about gatekeeping players so the higher skill players can feel special. This is pathetic and pointless especially given how a player can literally just buy the rewards anyways. How can someone classify an activity as the pinnacle of competition in a game when the bulk of the players playing it are just paying money for loot? [quote]If you have a problem with anything I said above, I suggest not playing in any competitive mode in any game, because playing better players is inevitable. No one will miss you because once the changes to the reward structure are implemented next season, many more casual players will gladly participate just like they did in D1 when it was ALWAYS card-based matchmaking.[/quote] I suggest you play a game with an actual competitive scene so you can see that good players are expected to play against other good players not farm lesser skilled players. How the rewards for succeeding arent able to be bought and are not in game items but a title and/ or a cash prize. As far as this notion of the changes will bring players back, some might come back but for many the damage is done. We saw the same thing even back in D1, as trials reset the starting peak was always lower than the previous peak. My response to you about me not being missed if I leave is simple. If I was the only one who was unhappy about Trials you would have a point but when over 200K players decide to stop playing an activity in its first season after being on hiatus for years maybe just maybe its something wrong with the activity...

Man stfu you clown. You don’t have a clue about competitive games. Every game that has a competitive ranked playlist is set up so that you play worse players in the lower ranks and better players in the higher ranks. That’s the entire point of a ranked playlist. Why do all of you SBMM apologists act like Trials is using some kind of crazy formula that doesn’t work when it’s literally the same design that games have been using in competitive modes for DECADES. I dare you to download Apex (it’s free) and try your luck in ranked. Seriously, do it. And then come back here and let us all know how welcoming the experience was. 😂

Once again a shining example of what's wrong with the trials community. A valid point is made and you respond with insults because you don't like the point. [quote]Why do all of you SBMM apologists act like Trials is using some kind of crazy formula that doesn’t work when it’s literally the same design that games have been using in competitive modes for DECADES.[/quote] Because it isn't working in this game with this community.... D2 Trials started with what 400K??? 450K??? How many did the original trials start with? How about Trials of the Nine? What do you think the starting point for trials is going to be this upcoming season? I'm guessing you'll start around 350-300K and individuals like you will be like the population doubled when in reality around 100K left the playlist and weren't able to be replaced. Now In regards to your Apex Legends point. I tried it out way back when it first came out (Season1) and didnt like it. Here's the funny part about it though when you LFG for it you dont see recov/ carry post for the game. So I decided to dig a little deeper and when I went to the EA site that details ranked league matchmaking I found this gem.... "[b]Ensure competitive integrity through skill-based matchmaking.[/b] No one can really say they’re the best if all they do is stomp n00bs in Skulltown, so matchmaking in Ranked Leagues is focused on putting players of similar skill in the same match. You won’t always be playing against players of your exact tier (Silver players may compete with Gold players, for instance) but it will be as close as possible for your region and time of day."

More lies. You conveniently left out the rest of that paragraph from EA’s website: “Ensure competitive integrity through skill-based matchmaking RP based Matchmaking continues to create the high pressure climb near the top of each division. This is working as intended, and will persist.” RP-based matchmaking is not in any way the same thing as true skill-based matchmaking i.e. ELO-based like Bungie uses. I’m not sure why they worded it that way, but that isn’t even close to the same thing. RP-based is what comp used to be in D2. I can go into Apex ranked and farm noobs all the way up until Gold. Quit pretending to know more than me about a game you don’t even play. If you were a fan of the game, you’d know that ever since SBMM was added to the casual modes, ranked has become the place where good players go to chill... because it doesn’t have SBMM. And then maybe you wouldn’t have been tempted to post one part of a webpage without context

I quoted the entire paragraph. However, its comical that you would accuse me of partially quoting then do it yourself... [quote]Quit pretending to know more than me about a game you don’t even play. If you were a fan of the game, you’d know that ever since SBMM was added to the casual modes, ranked has become the place where good players go to chill... because it doesn’t have SBMM. And then maybe you wouldn’t have been tempted to post one part of a webpage without context[/quote] The only reason why I looked into Apex is because you brought it up as an example to prove your point. Now you're upset because the people who are involved in the game in a higher level than me were quoted saying something that goes against your entire argument. So while I personally may not know more about that game than you, the individual(s) quoted from that website certainly do.... Now as far as myself being a fan of the game I tried it when it first came out, more than likely prior to SBMM being added. Who's to say I would have quit playing if SBMM was added prior to that point. In comparison I've been playing COD Warzone which has SBMM and have been having a ton of fun with it and have been playing it more and more as a result.

[quote]The only reason why I looked into Apex is because you brought it up as an example to prove your point. Now you're upset because the people who are involved in the game in a higher level than me were quoted saying something that goes against your entire argument. So while I personally may not know more about that game than you, the individual(s) quoted from that website certainly do...[/quote] Dude, you’re -blam!-ing 12 years old. You most certainly did not quote the entire paragraph like I did. And the part that you left out proves my point that Apex matches you solely based off of rank. I’ll even leave the link here so anyone reading this can see what a pathetic troll you are: https://www.ea.com/games/apex-legends/news/ranked-series-4-details Go crawl back under your bridge and keep getting farmed in PvP. You discredited yourself by posting a partial quote to mislead people and then doubled down when I called you out on it and provided the full quote and link as solid proof. As far as I’m concerned, you’ve lost all credibility, and you’ve certainly lost my time.

https://www.ea.com/games/apex-legends/news/ranked-leagues-mode-details https://www.ea.com/games/apex-legends/news/ranked-league-series-2 https://www.ea.com/games/apex-legends/news/ranked-series-3-details https://www.ea.com/games/apex-legends/news/ranked-series-4-details There are multiple articles detailing Ranked in Apex Legends. Each additional article highlight changes they've made from the previous article. At no point is there a change listed stating that matching players of similiar skill isnt a priority, they even added tiers for the true best of the best to be matched against each other in. RP is earned through skilled play and the ranking system is designed to seperate the players based on skill. So as I stated previously kid you're wrong about SBMM not being used in a competitive environment. I linked all 4 articles if anyone wishes to read along, each one builds on the previous article. Overall its a pretty interesting approach to matchmaking.

I’ve come to the conclusion that you have never stepped foot in a competitive lobby. You’re literally making my argument for me. 😂 Every time skill-based matchmaking is mentioned in those articles it’s followed by an explanation that clarifies RP-based matchmaking is what they mean. RP = rank points. You play other players in a similar rank. This is LITERALLY what Trials is and you’re praising it 😂😂😂 Players at 0-3 wins play each other, players at 3-5 wins play each other, players at 5-6 wins play each other, and players at 6-7 wins play each other. SBMM in the traditional sense, and the type that’s present in every D2 playlist other than Classic Mix and Trials (and every non-ranked mode in Apex), prioritizes a player’s ELO (which can include anything from win %, to KD to headshot % depending on the game) over everything else, including rank. This is why comp is a pseudo-ranked playlist because you don’t actually play better players as you go along. This is what you’re crying for, because you think it’s too difficult to go Flawless. Yet you’re praising Apex for having the same matchmaking system. 🤣 Again, PLEASE go try your hand at ranked Apex if you think it’s SBMM in Destiny terms.

[quote]Every time skill-based matchmaking is mentioned in those articles it’s followed by an explanation that clarifies RP-based matchmaking is what they mean. RP = rank points. You play other players in a similar rank.[/quote] I've come to the conclusion that you're incapable of grasping simple concepts. So lets break this down in a level that even a small child should be able to grasp. RP is how the game determines your overall skill in Apex Legends, you gain more RP for performing well in matches (Getting kills and your overall placement in the match). Your rank is a skill bracket. How much RP you have determines what rank/ skill bracket you are, lower RP places you in a lower rank = lower skill bracket (Bronze being the lowest tier in regards to skill and Master tier/ apex hunter being the highest tier in regards to skill). Once the game determines your skill using RP and places you in the associated skill bracket/ tier you are then matched with players in that skill bracket/ tier. A Platnium tier player doesnt get to match with a Bronze tier player as the bronze player isnt deemed to be skilled enough to match with the Platnium player. Skill determines who you play in ranked Apex Legend matches with RP used to determine skill. On top of that once you reach a certain rank/ skill bracket you cant drop out of it, If you reach Platnium you cant drop your rank into Gold, etc... [quote] This is LITERALLY what Trials is and you’re praising it 😂😂😂 Players at 0-3 wins play each other, players at 3-5 wins play each other, players at 5-6 wins play each other, and players at 6-7 wins play each other.[/quote] Wrong yet again. Trials doesnt account for skill at all when doing its matchmaking while Apex legend does with RP. The comparable scenario would be if the game tracked your performance specifically to trials gave you a rating for it and matched you with other players with a similiar rating, that is exactly what Apex Legends does with its RP system. On top of that Apex Legends doesnt allow you to drop your rank to play easier opponents, something that Trials allows with resetting your card... You keep arguing that its not SBMM even with the developers referring to the system as a form of SBMM all because they mention RP. Completely ignoring that you gain RP by performing feats the game deems to be skilled (Getting kills, wins/ high placement in matches). So even if you feel the RP system isnt the same exact system as SBMM in Destiny it performs the same function, ranking/ rating players based on percieved skill and matching players with similiar level of skill. No need to reply because there's nothing you can say, the game you deemed an example of competitive play does in fact match based on skill. Read the links I posted previously and I mean read them not skim them because you're eager to jump back on your keyboard. Have a wonderful Covid free day lol...….