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10/5/2015 12:30:52 PM
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Bungie is weak and impressionable. But whatever even if they were to get nerfed again, I wouldn't mind. I would just use fusion rifles regularly. They'd be better than a shotgun at its own role at that point.
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Fusions need to viable again...
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Edited by ashesofman: 10/5/2015 12:52:58 PMHave you considered that you could be biased? As a sniper, you're likely subconsciously, at least, looking to take a competitor off of the playing field. You can one shot people from any range, but for whatever reason you're worried about the shotgun's 15 foot MAX range. The weaker shotguns are the more invulnerable and dominant sniper rifles will be. I never see a shotgun user say something like this, especially after the 2.0 patch. Most people think justice has been served. It's snipers like you who want to eliminate competition that won't let it die. I think your own agenda is at play here.
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Edited by GHOST 9o5: 10/5/2015 12:56:26 PMEvery argument is biased. Like it or not. That's true. But not about me wanting to remove competition. If someone rushes me, gets close, shotgun melee me, fine, my fault. I know what is my own mistake. I do not want to take shotguns off the board. For that, you are mistaken. You take the word "nerf" too far. But mobility is too quick in this game for such small maps, which makes shotguns MUCH better than they actually are. Bungie wanted to implement a melee+shotgun tactic, but they fail to do so because of higher impact shotguns. They are the main reason why they are infamous, along with shot package and rangefinder. Now, range finder is perfectly fine where it is at, IMO. But shot package was virtually untouched. So, you are quite mistaken on your accusation. [spoiler]By the way, I think scopes like Ambush shouldn't exist because their zooms are too low, allowing CQC sniping.[/spoiler] [spoiler]You expect a typical shotgunner to say it's not OP? Do you know how many people like the advantage?[/spoiler]
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And why should you only be able to shotgun+melee? Why does that even make sense to you? A shotgun+melee TTK is atrocious. Any fusion could beat a shotgun in confined range. You are after you own agenda, despite what you say. You want to be able to hardscope to your hearts delight, with no fear of being caught unawares. Maybe Bungie should just give you a sniper with Third Eye. That would likely solve most of your woes.
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Snipers with Third Eye are useless. Believe it or not, they wanted shotguns to compliment styles of shotgun mekees. And believe it or not, if you were able to one-shot me, you were also able to shotgun+melee me. I never said they should only be shotgun+melee, they should only one shot at a reasonable range. So far the range isn't reasonable.
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I don't think hardscoping, quickscoping, and no scoping are reasonable. But snipers get away with it because they cry the loudest.
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Hard scoping is legitimate..
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Shot package was certainly touched. I use shotguns every day remember. You don't. I can tell you from hundreds of hours of personal experience that shot package has indeed been effected, and fairly seriously. I can feel my shotgun, like you can feel your sniper. You would know if it was different. I miss a lot more now and have questioned whether or not I should carry on using a shotgun. It is significant. Snipers are a problem in their own right. Why quick scoping is so effective is a mystery to me. No sniper should be able to play in close range. But like it or not, Bungie will concede to people like you and the game will be ruined for everyone but snipers.
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Perhaps it isn't as significant to me because I am usually sitting at killing range with my shotgun. I get fairly close to the enemy. My shotgun isn't high impact, it's mid teir, but I always manage to one-shot because I get [i]close.[/i] the Shindig quest, the shotgun part was so easy. Not even joking.
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I use a Strongbow-D which is like the Hard Luck Charm. I don't use a Felwinters. Low range shotguns were hit the hardest by the nerf.
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....? Range wasn't hit at all besides ballistics and Hammer forged.. Now, maybe YOUR opinion is skewed because YOU are using a low range shotgun..
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They nerfed the accuracy of Shot Package. When Shot Package misses, it misses wholesale. A 30% nerf is significant. I miss way more than I used to, even if I'm aiming directly at the person. Low range shotguns were effected the most because there is more less room for error. You have to get closer, so you have to time the shot much more carefully than if you were using a low RoF shotgun.
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MrMeanMustard has a few good clips I should show you.
