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Edited by Qeylis: 8/4/2015 6:52:42 PM
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CONFIRMED! Year One Gear Will Not Be Upgraded For TTK!!!

Bungie has become progressively worse at making weapons and armor since launch. Bungie, fix it, now! I promise, the day you announce that you are letting us level year one gear to the new max level, I will buy TTK. If you don't, I doubt very seriously that I will buy it. Edit: I erroneously reported that Matt Miller did not like the TTK weapons. He was referring to HoW weapons, not TTK. While it does not change my point, or my mind, I do apologize for any confusion I may have caused. Edit 2: Cosmo says don't destroy your year one gear. Here's a link. https://mobile.twitter.com/thelegendblue/status/628619811124199424
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  • So people who ascended crota and vog gear to get to 34 are now -blam!-ed up?

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    • Will I be able to keep exotic armor and exotic guns . That's all I care about although I will miss my party crasher

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    • Still don't have a gally even after hundreds of hours of play time. Across 3 maxed characters. I had given up on caring about it but now I'm starting to get worried that I'll never get to experience its power before it becomes irrelevant. Unless it's only legendaries that can't get ascended and exotica will still level as normal.

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    • Thank god. It's time to move on people.

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        Time for a fresh start.

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      • I don't see this as a bad thing. I had to ditch items as I leveled up to 20, and I had no problem with it. It forced me to experiment with different weapons and builds. Had I been able to upgrade the first rocket launcher I found, I may have never have used a machine gun. If I could've buffed up my first pulse rifle, I probably wouldn't have grown fond of hand cannons, etc. It's necessary for good game design. Letting your players stick with a handful of weapons just leads to stagnation, a feeling of repetition and a disinterest in loot. I'd much rather play through TTK and feel the same excitement for loot that I felt when grinding up to level 20 than play with the same handful of weapons all the way through.

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      • Best news ever

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      • You couldn't upgrade old gear in House of Wolves until you acquired Etheric Light by participating in endgame content. Just because you'll find upgrades while leveling to 30 doesn't mean there won't be an upgrade system available for beating Oryx.

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      • I'll still be keeping my shadow price though. No regrets.

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      • I cannot wait for a new grind of armor and weapons..I'm like an addict on this game and getting good gear to drop is my fix..and anyone who has played Runescape will tell you how easy of a "grind" this game really is :)

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      • Oh boy, how to explain this. This is a good thing. It's terrible that it has to be done now, and in the way it's being done, but this is a good thing. When Bungie started with Destiny, they legitimately had no idea about some systems; specifically RPG systems like progression. They did the best they could, and then with VoG they had a great set of weapons that, skins aside, felt like a real reward. Then the DLC came. If anything, I'd say the way this happened takes away even more credence from the theory that every DLC has been cut content; in developing the first game they completely forgot about the future. Bungie put so much work into making the base game's gear progress well that with something like the Fatebringer they probably hit their originally intended endgame 10 years too early. No matter how you look at it, that's a problem. When a gun at 300 Attack does more damage to level 33 enemies than one with 331, and enabling players to upgrade their weapons makes it even more widespread, and this is all in the first year out of 10? You have a major issue going forward that needs to be dealt with. After all, how can they just let players keep using it for the rest of the franchise's lifespan if they want to keep a progression throughout that time? The other issue that this needs to fix is part of the reason the forums are such a cesspool; this is a console game. There is literally the biggest mix of casual and hardcore, experienced and newbie, ADD game choice and exclusive game choice possible and it just doesn't work with a game of this scale when everyone's thinking of the game as something different. Destiny is mainly an RPG. Not in the traditional sense, but it fits the name far better and more properly than a general label of "shooter" with Bungie's intended focus on story(which we all have to admit did sort of fall flat on its ass this time around) and progression(something they're new to). How many RPG's, or even MMORPG's, both have a progressive gear loot system and let you carry the same exact weapon for all the time you spend playing it? Not a whole fvckin' lot. They'll always have a limit on how good something can get because that's how you enforce improvement. Destiny is more complicated than this but the idea is the same. However, because Bungie is inexperienced with RPG systems they forgot that this isn't a game where only stats matter. A game like Destiny inherently implements skill and comfort into the equation since each weapon functions differently, which means if you make something too good you can't just get players to use something newer because its stats go higher; they'll stick with what they like to the bitter end, and if you just keep making weapons more insane to peel them away you'll wreck the game's difficulty for anyone who doesn't have the current meta build(which might become unobtainable at some point). Under no circumstances is that situation sustainable; that's how we got here. I don't want to look back in 9 years and realize that every jackass out there is still using a Fatebringer, or that every weapon in style is unbelievably overpowered because that's how they made the game and if I don't use those weapons I won't get anywhere because they've skewed the difficulty adjustment over time. I feel like that'd ruin the idea of progressing for all that time. So yeah, sucks this had to happen now. That doesn't change the fact that it needs to.

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      • I'm totally fine with what there doing, I just hate how older raids are gonna be useless. Like sure go ahead and get rid of these legendaries, I understand that there is progression, but I want to play the content i paid for, I paid 20 dollars to play a raid that's gonna be useless after the taken king.

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      • I think its a great move. Whats the point of using the same weapon for 10 years

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        • Edited by EnbyousNova: 8/4/2015 6:03:07 PM
          Why should you be able to upgrade your weapons and armor? What would be the point of adding new gear if no one would use it? Stop complaining people. Edit: Guns will always be just as valid in regular crucible due to the level advantages being shut off. My longbow will always be my dedicated sidekick.

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          • People keep forgetting that this will render all end game items useless too. There will be no reason to do vault of glass, Crotas end, prison of elders, and trials of Osiris. It's a [i]seriously [/i] stupid move but Bungie doesn't understand the concept of "optional".

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            • Dear next gen, Sorry. [i]-Last Gen[/i]

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            • Thanks for saving me the grind abort Destiny until TTK

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            • So basically we can all stop playing IMMEDIATELY and wait for TTK. Anything you have done up to this point other than getting to level 20, fully upgrading subclasses and your grimoir score are pointless. Thanks bungie I appreciate being suckered in to your 10 year plan I mean no plan.. Wait is there even a plan?

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              • KKKHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNN!

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              • Not too arsed about the weapons to be honest. A little sad that I won't be able to keep some armor pieces that I really like but oh well onto new things.

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                • Weapons wont be entirely useless. They'll be slowly phased out as you approach level 37 and beyond which i'm ok with as long as the new weapons are worth moving onto. That's whats really intriguing to me, especially since there are class specific weapons going to be available. I'm also hoping they make factions worth a damn, and make their weapons mean something, or actually worth picking up. Add the fact they are removing light levels, and adding traditional leveling this could be really good or really bad. I'm on the fence, and have been for the TTK and will be watching all the news that comes from Bungie on how it will all work.

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                  • Sounds like they are going to overhaul everything. All the more reason to hold off on buying ttk until it drops and player reviews start coming in.

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                  • Damn I really like destiny but this makes me want to quit

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                  • Why would HOW have ascension just for bungie to take it away? That makes no sense.

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                    • Is anyone honestly surprised by this? [spoiler]if your answer was yes you've obviously never experienced a game with gear progression[/spoiler]

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                      • I love Destiny. But if I have to re level all 3 of my Guardians and scrap all of my beloved weapons and gear I'm gonna just jump off a cliff and wipe!!

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