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8/3/2019 4:16:11 AM
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Unpopular Opinion: Heavy Metal is as unmusical as Dubstep
They’re both just noise with rhythm. There’s no beauty, no art, no craft. It’s “how loud can I scream and flail my greasy hair while beating on some poor drumkit?” (I do admit the drummers have some talent). And dubstep is “how loud can these screechy synths be while I bang my head and my eardrums bleed?”
Again, they’re both just soulless noise.
[spoiler]this will make the metalheads here very angry, i know
But i’m right[/spoiler]
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Dam be careful where you say that lol
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And in that moment, the metal gods descended upon OP and smote them using the raw energy of the most metal shit ever conceived. The vibration of the bass shook the ground. The impact of the drums created craters. The guitar licks were so sweet that all close enough to witness the impossibly quick movements of the guitarists fingers wept I'm awe. In OP's final moments, the vocalist sang unto OP [spoiler]"no u"[/spoiler]
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2 RepliesEven More Unpopular Opinion: Everyone is allowed to enjoy different types of things. No genre of music, book, videogame, tv show, movie, etc is superior to any other. Everyone has different taste. Also, there's good stuff in every genre if you're willing to be mature and keep an open mind. [spoiler]I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed.[/spoiler]
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1 ReplyI'll address this with regards to Metal. [quote]They’re both just noise with rhythm.[/quote] False. Whilst Metal does venture into dissonance and has a generally cathartic and rough tone, to suggest it is devoid of harmony is frankly laughable. [quote]There’s no beauty, no art, no craft.[/quote] Try and do scream vocals without sounding like a hideous embarassment, then tell me theres no craft to it. Try to slide in polyrhythms, time signature changes and other manner of rhythmic -blam!-ery in music as effortlessly as Meshuggah do. Try to play something as (arguably) basic as Bleed without your arm seizing up after a couple of minutes. Then you have the spiralling, complex concept albums of Mastodon, the glassy, almost crystalline fragility in Architects around the time they tragically lost a member of their band. All this is plain to hear, so long as you arent put off by the aggressive, cathartic nature of the genre. Its not for everyone, but to state its "nothing but noise" belies a quite frankly embarassing ignorance and inability to get past the most superficial elements of music. You are entitled to your opinion - you may want to be wary of who you share it with. 😁
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And what, pray tell, do [u]you[/u] think is music?
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To me Dubstep is still "music", Just not one that I appreciate, at all. I'd rather listen to an old tv's static when no station could be found. With all the LGTBBarbecue versions attributed to the genre, it really depends on the Metal as to whether I would consider it music or not. I mean there is a beat, but once you get all Dethklock-y guitar warps and just staccato quadruple bass pedals going, it just has no appeal to me at all. I can see how you would associate the two together, for both seem to be more a collection of noises rather than remotely seeming to have any melodic content to it. Recently there was some "Pink" festival or some such thing in Germany, where David Lee Roth went to make a guest appearance with some "known" "DJ" that re-did Van Halen's [u]Jump[/u]. It sucked. Why all those people paid money to see a DJ on an overly extravagant back lit stage, to not do anything except manipulate some electronic equipment every now and then is just mind boggling. Mimes are more entertaining. Watching paint dry has more appeal. I just don't get the mentality to this. When we went to concerts, wee saw the bands playing their instruments, putting on a show, portraying their expertise and prowess with their skill that in a lot of cases is astounding, entertaining the masses, all while sonic-ally making you go deaf with the songs you could sing along with. It was awesome. All I can think is people who like electric noise are very easily duped. inb4edgydownvotes
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Lol, oh hi Cellar Door!
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This is unpopular
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11 RepliesEdited by Jono: 8/3/2019 6:03:46 AM[quote] They’re both just noise with rhythm. [/quote] That's funny, because dubstep is just computers making obnoxious machine noises with clips of tv shows/movies/other songs thrown in because dude features whereas heavy metal is actual music being played by instruments by actual talented people that know how to play those instruments and write music. [quote] There’s no beauty, no art, no craft. [/quote] Allow me to point you to [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh_Son_of_a_Seventh_Son]Seventh Son of a Seventh Son by Iron Maiden[/url] as a prime example of what real music and art is. This is an entire album based on the Seventh Son from his conception up until his death and his special powers and gifts he has. The bass player of the band Steve Harris that is a bookworm came up with the idea for this album after he read the book "Seventh Son." That guy is the main writer for every single song that Iron Maiden has came up with. Every song on this album tells a different tale of the many parts of the Seventh Son's life and how he deals with the good/bad things he is gifted with. I can go on and on for hours about the beauty of Iron Maiden and that band is just the icing on the cake when it comes to metal and other bands similar in the genre but anyone like you with a short attention span and a small and idiotic mindset wouldn't understand. [quote] It’s “how loud can I scream and flail my greasy hair while beating on some poor drumkit?” [/quote] This is everything opposite is but okay, continue to sound like a middle aged parent going through midlife crisis that thinks this about heavy metal and what it's really about. There's a reason why drummers like Neil Peart, Dave Lombardo, and Nicko McBrain are valued in their respective bands. Neil Peart is considered one of, if not, the greatest drummer of all time due to his range and is technically unmatched on the kit. Dave Lombardo is the master of the double bass and an innovator for that reason and has inspired many thrash and melodic death metal bands because of it. Nicko McBrain is one of the most influential drummers of all time due to his stamina and unique playstyle of never using a double bass pedal. People call him an "octopus" because he has a massive drum kit and he hits every single drum piece in that kit regularly during performances. [quote] (I do admit the drummers have some talent) [/quote] "Hey guys, I know I don't really know what I'm talking about and I don't want to get ripped to shreds on the forum but I'll just make this statement so nobody hurts me." [quote] Again, they’re both just soulless noise. [/quote] Again, you're completely wrong on all levels and don't know what you're talking about. Take this fat L and leave
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You like Rap music don't you?
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[quote] They’re both just noise with rhythm[/quote] Yes.... that is what music is....
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Edited by Liam_the_Censor: 8/5/2019 12:52:04 PMWhy would you say something so controversial, yet so brave?
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2 RepliesThis is going to cause more controversy than one of ECCHOS political posts.
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If you don't like the sound of metal music, I'm ok with that, but I think it's very unfair to say it isn't music just because you don't like it. I personally really despise country music, but I'm not about to dismiss it as "unmusical" just because it sounds like hillbilly dogshit to me. It still has value to many people out there, and so do the various forms of metal, and even dubstep (another genre of music I personally don't like). There are plenty of metal bands that are very melodic and have interesting stories to tell. Linked above is a melodic death metal band known as Amon Amarth. In this song they tell the tale of the event known as Ragnarök in norse mythology, where a god-like being by the name of Surt (or Surtr) destroys the earth and Asgard (kingdom of the Gods). It's pretty fascinating stuff and a really cool song in my opinion. They have lots of other songs about norse mythology, norse culture, and the vikings themselves. [spoiler]If anyone wants to read the story of Ragnarök, I will link an article here: https://norse-mythology.org/tales/ragnarok/[/spoiler]
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1 ReplyEdited by Quissy: 8/3/2019 4:43:26 AMI consider myself partly a metal head. And it is an art, it’s just a way of expression. It takes a lot of skill and writing to play a lot of their stuff. And as for the drummers, they aren’t just banging on a drum kit. Most every metal drummers move is calculated. they have to be very on time on fills. And this is coming from a drummer. That’s like me saying mumble rap is just high guys mumbling into tracks it takes no skill. As for the dubstep, it takes some skill to do it. And as for it being soulless noise, check out a7x they put a lot of soul into it. And technically every piece of music is noise with rythym.
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Edited by Tiny Førklift: 8/5/2019 8:00:46 AMAs not only a musician but a musician that enjoys genres like dubstep, metal, metalstep, deathstep etc...this bugs me every single god damn time. Music is nothing but sounds in a pattern, predominantly in a harmonic one that also tends to be repeating. Repetition is not essential for music to be considered music. "But metal uses disconance! Therefore its not harmonic and therefor not ReAl MuSiC!" Disonance is an essential part of metal. Its almost the core. Just because its not "pretty" like your standard pop chord progression does not in any way, shape or form mean its worse or less musical somehow. "But dubstep is just alot of weird, metallic robot screeches and noises put together randomly!!" No, theyre not. If that was the case, no one would actually enjoy dubstep. Because it could not be considered music at that point. There's a pattern there, even if it doesnt repeat itself. "But dubstep isnt played with real instruments! Therefore its not music!" By that logic, every single beautiful melody youve ever heard in your head which youve never heard being played before isnt music either, because its all in your head and not from an orchestra or band. Dabin & Koven - Revenant Juventa ft. Erica Curran - Move into light Yuna - Lullaby Trivecta - Labyrinth All of these are dubstep songs. Come back to me once youve heard this and youll see that dubstep is music and can be beautiful music. Just because its not "standard" doesnt mean its not music. If you truly think metal and dubstep isnt music, then i feel sorry for you. Because you do miss out on alot if thats the case.
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1 Reply[quote]They’re both just noise with rhythm.[/quote] *WHEEZE* That's the definition of music lmao.
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Sabaton actually tells a story in their songs Idk any other metal bands But I know that it takes more skill than dubstep. It requires the use of multiple instruments, usually at fast speeds, while dubstep is just someone programming annoying noises together.
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Edited by BattosaiXslayer: 8/4/2019 6:25:25 AM[quote]It’s “how loud can I scream and flail my greasy hair while beating on some poor drumkit?[/quote] listen to the lyrics. Check out just about anything by Metallica. Some suggestions: Nothing else matters Unforgiven 2 The day that never comes Enter sandman For whom the bell rolls They have a wide variety of heavy and soft, which is why they're my favorite. Same with five finger death punch
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I'm okay with noise.
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Edited by albinomachina: 8/3/2019 7:34:26 PMI agree with you 100%. But, at least dubstep is new and original. There's no one in heavy metal doing anything that hadn't already been done a quarter of a century ago.
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I like power metal, and that war metal that is Sabaton.
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*plays a large electric guitar and starts screaming at you*
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GET THE FRICK OUT BOTH A FRICKING AMAZING!!!
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This is really going to trigger all the dubstep fans here
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Edited by Ogma: Destroyer of Worlds: 8/3/2019 11:10:07 AMOnly if you don’t know what the actual lyrics are. My favorite band does science fiction themed albums that deals with the idea of man vs intelligent machines. One album even has excerpts to read between the songs that introduces characters and sets up scenes. The last song on the album is just ambient synthy stuff while the vocalist actually sings because it’s a desperate part of the story. I recently discovered a symphonic death metal band with a themed album that kind of tells a story. The band also uses orchestral instruments(that they also play and write the music for), and opera singers on top of the traditionally harsh metal vocals. The title of the album is King and a member of the band described it in this way: “The King in this album represents the brave part of ourselves: the one we should cultivate to become strong and rise again from this Dark Age. He’s the only positive figure of this story—a man who has integrity and love for the values and truth that we all should hope for ourselves. All the other characters in the court represent the fears that can lead us to make everything worse. They try to affect the King’s decisions for their own advantage and hope for a loss of power, regardless of the suffering they’re going to create for their own world and people. As we already said when we presented King to our fans, we should all hail the King who lives inside every one of us.” Counter unpopular opinion. Most rap is just something catchy to nod your head to but the lyrics are shallow. A beat that is naturally appealing due to how our brains work, simply because it is repetitive and catchy but otherwise soulless and mindless. Just some guy talking about how cool he thinks he is, how much money and stuff he has, and his sexual exploits. Why should I care about any of that? Now I know that not ALL rap is like that, but the vast majority of what’s popular seems to be. I’m sure that there is rap out there where I would appreciate the lyrics, but the beat aspect of it just isn’t my thing. I feel nothing from it. It does absolutely nothing for me. Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t call it music. It’s just not for me. [spoiler]American country music is still shit no matter what though.[/spoiler] [spoiler]Just kidding.[/spoiler] [spoiler]Only a tiny bit though.[/spoiler]
