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Edited by Sunslinger: 8/12/2023 12:37:33 PM
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Bungie, you’re being laughed at

[b][u]”one of the things with destiny 2 is it’s a great game, it really is. I would not be making a video like this if it wasn’t for the fact that I’ve had hours put into this game and genuinely enjoyed my time with it. But to see how hypermonetized this game is and then to see the lack of delivery on the most basic of releases is not just bad for destiny but eye opening for live service games in general”[/u][/b] To anyone who says “the people complaining are a vocal minority” 333k views, thousands of comments, videos similar to this from loads of creators whether they’re part of the destiny community or not. Anyone who seriously defends what bungie is doing. Why? I’m not insulting anyone who does personally or attacking their character, I’m just legitimately trying to understand why people defend bungie when they turn around and say that they can’t provide content to 2/3rds of their game. Parts of the game people enjoy. We should all be collectively striving to get the best possible product for our money, and yet when we are told in things like the state of the game that it’s objectively not happening, while the cash shop is being filled to the brim and apparently they don’t even have enough developers or teams to do things separately without taking away resources from other aspects of the game. Why do people defend this?
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  • I'll laugh when the new raid is completed in under 8 hours. Participation trophy again for everyone. Sony wants those day one emblems just given away. It didn't a streamer or streamers to tell us the lightfall dlc was the worst major dlc we've had. No story. A subclass that was great until it got neutered to the ground. Re-skins of re-skins. Gambit still with a couple of maps. Crucible neglected. All the great pvp maps from D1 and early D2...vaulted. Iron Banner and Trials, not as good as their D1 counterparts. Too lazy to make new strikes so they convert story missions into strikes. Too many nerfs. Can the people that defend bungie just admit bungie is lazy and should hang it up after final shape? If their heart isn't in it, why bother. Should we support a game when the developer doesn't?

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    • I love how people haven’t even read this and are getting all bent out of shape because someone has a different opinion. You’re just triggered because what he says is true and it makes the notion of you playing 60 hours a week a little ridiculous, and your life in the process.

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      • Ever notice that the BDF here on the forums comprises the same collection of maybe 5-10 people? They want everyone who's upset with the game to leave, but I wonder if the game they're clearly addicted to would survive with only their money being poured into it.

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        • My two cents… There is absolutely nothing new with the current issues with destiny. From the very first expansion in d1, people knew what was happening. Paywalls for end game content Ie night falls. A lack of time to deliver rich expansions all the time. Fast forward to eververse… people knew. D2 launch? 5 years of no new map support for PvP… Etc etc.. So some people had the ability to connect the dots years ago. It is not “defending” the practice, it is people with the long time realization of what bungie could and can not do and scratching their head asking why are people complaining now? It is not saying we want it to continue… It is saying why create such uproar with next to no knowledge of what the history is telling us. Bungie, SINCE 2018, has been contractually obligated to make another AAA game. They tried to see if activision wanted the destiny ip to keep it going because they knew they would not be able to keep up. Activision tried it for a year and decided that they too could not keep up development with a sound financial responsibility. Bungie had two choices… end destiny 2 and move forward with their contract… or give it a go and do both. Hate it, love it… that is the reality. It is better to make money rather than not make money at all. So they continued with d2. Here we are. 5 years later. It is not about what bungie can do better… Ie ugly vanguard armor no one uses… It is about streamlining and delivering what the number one request has been.. better seasons. That takes up development. That is what they are focusing on.

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          • Edited by The Hermit IX: 8/13/2023 12:06:27 AM
            Streamers bad but I’ll post a streamer that no one watches to validate. This forum is hysterical.

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            • Bro really tried to claim gambit was a third of the game 😭

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              • After looking at that thumbnail, I can guarantee you that Bungie cares about that guy's opinion of them just as much as I do.

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              • Oh no! Some random dude who created a YouTube channel said something bad about Destiny? This sucks, I guess I have to stop playing 😢.

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                • "say that they can’t provide content to 2/3rds of their game" Where are you pulling this bullshit from? Literally nobody I know was anything other than disappointed by Lightfall, but the whiners need to stop making things up and exaggerating, it's not helping your case.

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                  • Lol ah Muta, god bless that dude

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                  • Edited by Sarus-X: 8/13/2023 1:33:04 AM
                    Edit: I'm sorry for the long post, I just wanted to get this off my chest. I agree with 99% of this, but I wouldn't say Gambit and PvP are respectively a 3rd of the game. There are 3 game modes yes, but the vast majority of content made is only for one of them: PvE, and the AI and development choices for it are very questionable at best. I'd say PvE is at least 75%, PvP is 20%, and Gambit is 5% (just based on the way the game is currently being developed) But it used to be much more evenly split. I think PvE should be around 50% (66% if Gambit was removed), but it shouldn't be as high is it currently is right now. The problem is they are trying to not overdeliver on purpose while charging a staggeringly higher price than before, on top of trying to make you buy all the cool stuff, and they are making everything else look bad and poorly made in the process. Seasons as a whole are a bad design choice for PvE in a game like Destiny, but PvP could be fantastic if they made the seasons for that instead of making Marathon. I think Destiny should go back to the way it was: buy to play, with a new, long and interesting story only for expansion releases, a few new strikes that relate to the aftermaths of the story with maybe one in-between missions, a new patrol zone with one or two small secrets, a new raid with a randomly dropped exotic along with an exotic quest tied to the story of the raid, and a secret exotic mission like they used to. Rise of Iron was a panic expansion but is still leagues above where Lightfall is currently in terms of fun and replayability. Why? Because everything could be obtained in-game with a single buyout price of just paying for the expansion, and wasn't nearly as buggy and broken. Every annual launch so far has been at least 2x more expensive, and has had so many issue that I honestly do not believe some are accidents anymore.

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                  • It’s just fashionable, and lucrative, to hate on Bungie right now. Streamers and YouTubers need to pay the bills, too. It’s a feedback loop that gets people are worked up, but it doesn’t mean anything in the long run. Anyone who is new to the Internet, or isn’t very savvy to it, could very easily get caught up in it and believe it is noteworthy.

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                    • You either evolve w the game or move on. That's it. The game isn't tailored specifically to any one of us. If you don't like where it is or where it's heading put the game down for a bit. Or if you're really fed up delete the game & characters and leave all destiny groups. Or you stay & continue to be unhappy playing the game constantly complaining about a game you want but you will never get. The game isn't tailored to any of us specifically. Just doesn't make sense to play something & continue to be unhappy about it. This season was boring for me, it's probably the least amount of played since season of the worthy (only hit rank 100 that season) People need to start showing bungie by spending their time & money elsewhere. But yall can't be saying this type of 💩 but continue to play the game. If people want bungie to really get the message people need to log out & not log back in. Stop saying how unhappy you are, yet CONTINUE TO PLAY THE GAME. Hopefully bungie over delivers in the final shape & we see a massive improvement from what's taken place during this expansion.

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                    • And now prove that people that viewed and commented are active players or have played until recently. Oh, you can't. Welcome to the world of artificial internet dramas.

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                    • This season is the least amount of time I've spent playing Destiny, and I'm loving it. I log on here and there, play for an hour or two at most, and then launch another game. It's refreshing. I'm not going to buy anymore seasons either, it's like a weight has been lifted off of my shoulders. I highly recommend y'all do the same.

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                    • I do think he has a point about how all live service games have been able to learn from how Bungie has successfully run destiny despite some of the obstacles they've encountered. As far as defending it it's mostly because everybody will hopefully benefit from the microtransaction microtransgressions. They were just so small and optional and all these wonderful things have have or are going to come to fruition. Now... Will you join me in thanking and praising the Duchy of Eververse?

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                    • Why do people whine?

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                    • Edited by PK_Haseo: 8/12/2023 4:39:59 PM
                      …oh no lots of “Boot kissers” gonna be offended by this post. Hope the “Final Shape” is the final DLC without anymore “season pass” trashed/re-scarps story.

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                      • Even though Bungie’s company doesn’t publicly trade, the fact that we pay for a yearly subscription via expansions for a product that’s designed for longevity and investment via our characters kinda makes all of us guardians shareholders lol. As such, we want the game to do well so we can play more. But obviously, we’ve grown disgruntled with the fact that Bungie doesn’t seem to care anymore. We don’t want to hate on the game and the company, but we have to if it means getting proper feedback through to them and fix the game that we want to play. Otherwise, just move on.

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                      • They don’t care, bunch of idiots still buy -blam!- in eververse

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                      • I guess because they can do whatever they like with their product.

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                        • Edited by TheShadow: 8/12/2023 2:47:50 PM
                          Sorry, not sorry, the BS that has taken place has been taking place for years, and now these people want to speak up, right... WTH were they when this business turned the base game into a microtransaction game knowing they literally ripped everything out of Destiny to make a barebone cosmetic game??? Oh, that's right, spreading lies about the base game before it was released on "how good it was" after being invited to the studio to play D2, and having to sign an NDA while advertising the shop helping this business push the shop. You know, the beta that this business also lied about that "wasn't the actual base game". I've watched these last 6+ years on how these fake people supported all the BS this business threw out there, giving this business the free advertisement to do so so they could get a piece of the action. Then there were the "community summits", where they signed another NDA and feed the community more BS, and most of you took that bait as well trying to pass off "Streamers are helping this business fix the game". Stop posting stupid videos of fake people pretending they care, they are no better than this business knowing they supported all the BS this business pulled for all these years.

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                          • Bungie: why don't ppl like us anymore? We say all the right things on Facebook. Community: because you agent putting in the W-O-R-K. Bungie: W-O-R-K? what's that? Something on social media? Community: (facepalm)

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                          • Edited by THEREALLONEWOLFx: 8/12/2023 3:45:19 PM
                            This is it. If the Final Shape reveal on the 22 doesn't seem like it "delivers at all" it'll be the Final Straw for me I'm done with Bungie. I will never buy any product from them again! After D2 (Light and dark Saga)I never plan on buying anything from this company again. Just look at the history of this company and how they have treated and or handled their loyal fanbase for years! I will wait. I never preorder games ever because I have learned from company and their practices and hype trailers! I will buy Final Shape at a discount after a few months of it being out.

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                            • I can't agree more with your words Sunslinger, the game has been over for a long, long, long time. The fanaticism of the people is disconcerting, every season is the same, and the worst thing is that they include content from 8 years ago, and they think we are fools. You are a shame for the community.

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                            • I am reminded of all the Bungie apologists with their "Get out Activision" nonsense at the time. Some knew the problem was deeper than that and wouldn't be fixed by a split from Activision. Proof is in the pudding.

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