[quote]We could in D1. And its still stupid I have to use 2 or more shots to kill a red bar ad like an average Vandal or Acolyte. It makes no sense EDIT: Handcannons aren't the only weapons suffering here. But taking 3 headshots to kill 1 thrall is stupid. EDIT 2: yes, you can 1 shot ads with 150s in patrols and such. I know that. But going into actual leveled game play areas, like Raids, Gambit, NF, Dungeons, etc.. you can't. The point is that in D1 you could take a 140 into a raid and not have to empty the mag to get 3 kills. We have lost damage when we shouldn't have and that's whats annoying[/quote] I actually found it to be a problem in the D1 sandbox that with explosive rounds and aggressive ballistics on a burning eye SCOUT I could one shot shanks. It encouraged me just sitting in the back and mindlessly dumping ammo at their spawn locations. I much love the D2 sandbox in that mindset. I think that one shotting ads in lower tier content is fine and where it should be, while more effort should be required from dungeons and raids. I also found killing thrall in one shot with hand cannons to be really easy in CoS personally, tho I didn't test 180 RPM ones.