Lol of course 1% wants it like that made it there under sb now wants sb entirely removed to stay there. It's sad when instead of finding middle ground you have people that are it's my way or not at all. People wonder why pvp is crashing here's the answer right there.

Of course a lower skill players wants sbmm, so you can be shielded by bungie, sweats play sweats regardless with CBmm ( I’ve checked Elo’s after my matches.) CBMM makes it [u]RANDOM[/u] by having all types of skill in the lobby. You just suck and want to hide behind sbmm so you won’t ever have to face a good player.

[quote]Of course a lower skill players wants sbmm, so you can be shielded by bungie, sweats play sweats regardless with CBmm ( I’ve checked Elo’s after my matches.) CBMM makes it [u]RANDOM[/u] by having all types of skill in the lobby. You just suck and want to hide behind sbmm so you won’t ever have to face a good player.[/quote] Im a poor player and I dont care if it is SBMM, CBMM, FBI, CID or any other abbreviation. Not all low skilled players care but then again, someone as arrogant and closed minded like you, will never understand that There is many players, I would like to think that wants SBMM because it is more balanced matches for them, not so that they can be shielded - that is just arrogance talking there! You also find that even lower skilled players face good players in SBMM, so why don't you perhaps show some respect to players.. One final thing, remember its us lower skilled players that make a lot of other players look better than they actually are!

I respect players who just learn from defeat and get better, I didn’t hop into Destiny 2 and got good, I kept improving. My KD was going up even during sbmm (I was unaware of sbmm at the time.) sbmm shouldn’t influence how a person plays.

It's hilarious that your only point for mr liken sb is that i suck. Bravo that school education reall did nothing for you at all. It comes down to the fact players like you enjoy pvp cause there is no challenge you get to hide from players at your skill.

Amazing. Every single word of what you just said, was wrong. "Of course a lower skill players wants sbmm, so you can be shielded by bungie" No, they want SBMM so the can actually have balanced, engaging, and fun matches by playing people closer to their actual skill level. A low skill player isn't going to want to, or even find it fun, going up against a player who flawless's Trials every week it's out and grinds only trials gear every moment they're on the game. "sweats play sweats regardless with CBmm ( I've checked Elo's after my matches.)" Firstly, I doubt you constantly check the ELO of every single match. Or that you do that for most at all. Secondly, they don't. It's why people who constantly sweat have an issue with SBMM. Because with SBMM they WOULD get matched with other people who sweat because that's their skill range. They want SBMM removed so they can NOT have to play against people their own skill range and so they can sweat against people who maybe play, at most, one or two PVP matches [i]A WEEK[/i]. The sweats who want SBMM removed want it so they can go around stat padding in PVP by seal clubbing lower skilled players. Same reason why the sweaty part of the CoD community is up in arms over Cold War having SBMM (as well as some of the previous titles). They want seal clubbing. Not fair matches. "CBMM makes it [u]RANDOM[/u] by having all types of skill in the lobby." Except that kind a contradicts the whole "sweats play sweats regardless" point you tried making. Further more, I don't think you realize how "random" actually works. It's not a an equal balance of high skilled, mid range, and low skilled players. It's common to have teams of high skilled players matched together against a team of lowskilled players. Especially when you factor Fireteams into the mix where you can have a team of mostly highskilled players all premade with a couple low skilled going up against a team of low skilled and super causal players. "You just suck and want to hide behind sbmm so you won't even have to face a good player". So... Lets just for a moment assume they are actually bad at PVP. Why should they even have to face off against a high skilled player if they're low skilled? If it's to actually learn and impove, bashing someone into a wall that is a high skill player isn't going to get them to improve. It's going to frustrate them and make them NOT want to play PVP again. To actually improve one should be playing against people closer to them so they can ACTUALLY learn how to improve. So they can actually build up skill so they can actually compete against high skilled players as they improve. Unless you don't want them to gain skill normally and think people should just get "skill" artificially.

[quote]Amazing. Every single word of what you just said, was wrong.[/quote] Ironic seeing as that's your entire post [quote]"Of course a lower skill players wants sbmm, so you can be shielded by bungie" No, they want SBMM so the can actually have balanced, engaging, and fun matches by playing people closer to their actual skill level. [/quote] "They dont want $20 an hour they just want between $19-$21 dollars an hour" They're asking for segregation from better players. Period. [quote]A low skill player isn't going to want to, or even find it fun, going up against a player who flawless's Trials every week it's out and grinds only trials gear every moment they're on the game. [/quote]A lower skill player will play anyone they match under cbmm, they dont get to dictate who that is, if they soley want to play low tier comp is that way -> [quote]"sweats play sweats regardless with CBmm ( I've checked Elo's after my matches.)" Firstly, I doubt you constantly check the ELO of every single match. Or that you do that for most at all. Secondly, they don't.[/quote]They do, they have the same chance as anyone else to match other top players. [quote]It's why people who constantly sweat have an issue with SBMM. Because with SBMM they WOULD get matched with other people who sweat because that's their skill range. They want SBMM removed so they can NOT have to play against people their own skill range and so they can sweat against people who maybe play, at most, one or two PVP matches [i]A WEEK[/i]. [/quote]Wrong, they simply want casual modes to have casual mm, they dont want to SOLEY match top tier opponents, wait forever to find games, when you do they're laggy and the march itself is sweatier then trials st win 7. Low tier players are neither entitled nor deserving of being quarantined away from thier fellow players that did put the time and effort into improving [quote]The sweats who want SBMM removed want it so they can go around stat padding in PVP by seal clubbing lower skilled players. Same reason why the sweaty part of the CoD community is up in arms over Cold War having SBMM (as well as some of the previous titles). They want seal clubbing. Not fair matches.[/quote]They want to match everyone just like they always have, becoming good isnt suddenly a crime that deserves punishment, low tiers want safe spaces and participation trophies, they want the game to hold thier hand and grant them the illusion that they're competent. When in reality they aren't. [quote]"CBMM makes it [u]RANDOM[/u] by having all types of skill in the lobby." Except that kind a contradicts the whole "sweats play sweats regardless" point you tried making.[/quote]It doesnt, they dont soley play sweats under cbmm like they do under sbmm. [quote]Further more, I don't think you realize how "random" actually works. It's not a an equal balance of high skilled, mid range, and low skilled players. It's common to have teams of high skilled players matched together against a team of lowskilled players. Especially when you factor Fireteams into the mix where you can have a team of mostly highskilled players all premade with a couple low skilled going up against a team of low skilled and super causal players.[/quote]1. Lobby balancing prevents random top tier players from being on the same team unless inside a fireteam 2. Sorry you cant find friends to team with, doesnt mean high tier fireteam players shouldnt play together if they want, such a matchup is so rare per each player it's a non-issue. [quote]"You just suck and want to hide behind sbmm so you won't even have to face a good player". So... Lets just for a moment assume they are actually bad at PVP. Why should they even have to face off against a high skilled player if they're low skilled? If it's to actually learn and impove, bashing someone into a wall that is a high skill player isn't going to get them to improve. It's going to frustrate them and make them NOT want to play PVP again. To actually improve one should be playing against people closer to them so they can ACTUALLY learn how to improve. So they can actually build up skill so they can actually compete against high skilled players as they improve.[/quote] Bad players dont soley play good ones under cbmm, they most often play average ones. The jump from below average to average is so small anyone can do it, anyone that still cant can of course soley enjoy the sbmm playlists. But casual modes never should have sbmm at all [quote]Unless you don't want them to gain skill normally and think people should just get "skill" artificially.[/quote] Sbmm is artificial skill, they think theyve improved but really they're only up from a 0.5kd to a 1.0kd is soley due to them only playing 0.5kds. Vs cbmm where everyone plays each other so you get an accurate representation of where you sit, the proof is as soon as sbmm is gone the bad players who thought they were improving get ran by average ones, every single good player I know was motivated by cbmm and learned under cbmm. Sbmm promotes stagnation or even deranking, no point putting effort into something when it just leads to sweatier opponents going for the same prizes, you just end up feeling like you wasted your effort. Vs cbmm where you get to top frag more often the better you become.

So, why don't community college basketball teams play against UCLA? Why do leagues even exist? It sure does feel like you have a ton of hostility. You insulted the person who responded to you, and you dropped into some full on right wing political BS there with this one: "low tiers want safe spaces and participation trophies, they want the game to hold thier hand and grant them the illusion that they're competent." Lower tier players still want to have fun. They want to enjoy their experience without getting reliably, repeatedly roflstomped. You seem to think that being placed in a skill bracket where you would face high skill players is somehow not fun, as you are referring to it as a punishment. Imagine that. And I mean I get it. You want to bully people and feel powerful. You are SUCH a bully that no one will play with you unless the game forces them to do so. The more I think about why anyone would behave like you are behaving, the more I really do begin to feel compassion for you. Whatever happened to you which caused you to either define your identity through playing PVP, or gain validation by bullying people online probably shouldn't have happened to anyone. And it's shame that it did. You need to talk about it?

[quote]So, why don't community college basketball teams play against UCLA? Why do leagues even exist?[/quote] Better and more accurate examples: Why do bad MLB teams (mets) have to play good MLB teams (yankees)? So "unfair" In a nascar race where everyone has the same car maybe unskilled drivers should demand the skilled ones be disqualified? Comp or trials can be considered competitive sports. You asking casual modes that are the opposite of that to also be competitive is hilarious, 6vs6 is the random pick up games in your neighborhood where whoever shows up plays - including Tommy no thumbs and derek the blocks all star. [quote]It sure does feel like you have a ton of hostility. You insulted the person who responded to you, and you dropped into some full on right wing political BS there with this one:[/quote] No one but you has responded to me? [quote]"low tiers want safe spaces and participation trophies, they want the game to hold thier hand and grant them the illusion that they're competent." Lower tier players still want to have fun. They want to enjoy their experience without getting reliably, repeatedly roflstomped.[/quote] They dont get roflstomped the majority of thier games though? Every single user I've looked up who made this claim was proven to be playing gold or silvers the majority of thier recent games, if you're getting stomped by average players you need to put in a minuscule amount of effort to improve or if that's even too much to ask stay in modes designed for what you're after - competitive [quote]You seem to think that being placed in a skill bracket where you would face high skill players is somehow not fun, as you are referring to it as a punishment. Imagine that.[/quote]Soley playing high tier players in casual modes? It's like you dont realize how backwards that is...flip pvp on its head to ensure you get a safe space? Nah. [quote]And I mean I get it. You want to bully people and feel powerful. You are SUCH a bully that no one will play with you unless the game forces them to do so. The more I think about why anyone would behave like you are behaving, the more I really do begin to feel compassion for you. Whatever happened to you which caused you to either define your identity through playing PVP, or gain validation by bullying people online probably shouldn't have happened to anyone. And it's shame that it did. You need to talk about it?[/quote] Yeah I get it, you grew up with participation trophies, you need the game to dial down opponents for you, it's the onus of the game to ensure you have some small success at pvp, why wouldnt incompetence and ineptitude be rewarded? You bought the game, you deserve a safe space, those mean bullies who put the time and effort to improve after starting on the same rung as you should be segregated and banished from ever playing you, you're special, you're average at the game without trying, after all how else are you getting a 1.0kd? It must be your skill, not you simply playing in a safe space bubble - a fantasy land where the game gives you the illusion your decent.

Participation Trophy? Safe space? That's rich. I am clearly far older than you think I am. You want to play against people that don't want to play against you. I want everyone to have the choice of whether they want to play CBMM or SBMM. If most choose SBMM, while you insist that CBMM is better, then you have the choice play CBMM. What, do you need to play against people of lower skill than you in order to have a good time? I just want the choice for parity so it's a fun user experience for most people (which, by definition, is not the top 2%).

PLEASE proof read before you send. I can barely understand what you wrote. The average player and above wanted cbmm, whether they knew it or not.

Wait- so you know what other people want, even if they don't know it? *And* you know what other people "deserve"? Would you listen to yourself?

Na you wanted cb since most the pro-cbmm people I see downvoting all sbmm topics are 1% players. It's hilarious how ya think you know what good for other players when you dont care bout the rest just yourselves. See ya dont even want one sb game mode yet cb has died out the player base like ya say sb did. Simple middle ground would be to have one 6v6 and comp be sb and the rest can be cb but ya would -blam!- about that too.

I'm a top 1% player? I'm really not lol. I'm not anything special. Check my stats. I'm doing similarly kill wise as I was before, I am just getting slightly higher kds. Improve and you will see.

[quote]I'm a top 1% player? I'm really not lol.[/quote] OK, so [url=https://destinytracker.com/destiny-2/profile/steam/76561198827393527/overview]top 2.2% K/D in quickplay[/url]. Not quite 1%, but close enough. [quote]I'm not anything special.[/quote] I think everyone agrees on that. [quote]Check my stats.[/quote] I did. You lie about them like you lie about everything else. [quote]I'm doing similarly kill wise as I was before, I am just getting slightly higher kds.[/quote] Since nothing tracks historic K/D with enough detail to know where you used to be based on the general population, we only know where you are now. But, ELO is tracked seasonally, and your Iron Banner ELO is up over 1000 points from last season. This says that you are facing far easier competition than you did before, not that you are getting that much better.

Youre top 2% lol

In what though? I'm like the 1000th in the world for control, but not in other things. ELO is junk