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7/16/2020 3:28:38 PM
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Doesn’t matter how long it took to get, for example mountaintop was incredibly hard to get, yet once you had it, you never needed another kinetic gun, ever, and sunsetting will fix that.
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You literally have the dumbest logic there is Cobalt please do use all a favor and get out of your parents basement and away from your datto statue your worshipping to go get some sunlight PS - from now on i will be calling you Meg
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i dont use mountaintop as a main, never have never will. but if i want to use it for nightfall i should be allowed. its freedom to play how i want. you do not understand that dude. you never will. i already have to use certain weapon types for unstoppable overload and barrier. if lil jimmy wants to use the recluse with a million kills how does that affect you? answer that...dont worry ill wait.
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You are the exception, not the rule.
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yeh because i play how i want. but some ppl want to play with ghe same few weapons. thry should be able to aswell. no exceptions no rules. cobalt ppl like you will realize eventually get tired of grinding roles for the same weapons, then u will realize its a lazy idea, not a good one.
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It’s not a new idea. Sunsetting is applied in nearly every game. Why? Because when the player can use whatever they want, it causes problems. Problems like mountaintop making every grenade launcher obsolete. Problems like falling guillotine making every sword obsolete. Etc. What’s the reason for you to want to go for that new grenade launcher? Simple: sunset mountaintop. Truth teller and Death adder would be added to the list of garbage weapons if it weren’t that mountaintop and recluse were being sunset. Now, they actually have a chance. People have a reason to go for them. And the same goes for all of beyond light’s new weapons too.
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i csnt believe you actually said "when players use whatever they want it causes problems". so you like ppl to tell you what to do or say because if you say or do what u want you will cause problems?? your reasonings are beyond stupid.
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Weapons do not function as words do. People will always gravitate towards the best weapons. Why is it that there are about 600 weapons, which means that each weapon should get about .6% of usage, except mountaintop gets 7.5%, gnawing hunger gets 7.5% also, recluse is 4.7%, and falling guillotine is 11%? Now if we scroll down to find another legendary sword, we don’t find one until Steel Sybil, which gets 0.3% of usage. 0.3%! If you think that’s choice, then you may have a problem....
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they're better. you mention gnawing hunger. new one or old one? that's the problem with pro sunsetting. same weapon same rolls but different symbol in the top left. they will continue reissues. and ppl like u cheer yay i get new gear...its not new dude. same old stuff. mountaintop is unique so it revoker, recluse, wendigo. ppl want DIFFERENT.
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You are mistaken... people do not want different. People use whatever is the most powerful. Mountaintop has been in the top three most powerful for 1 and a half years. Destiny is about chasing loot. No one chases loot when they have better loot. But weapons like mountaintop ruin that. Mountaintop will always be better, no matter what. So all other loot is obsolete before it’s even released. And then there’s no reason to get new loot. So the game gets stale. That cannot happen.
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didnt answer my question. new or old gnawing hunger? thats sunsetting. get rid of it and put it back...thats not stale though? mountaintop is unique...name one other breach launcher that explodes withiut releasing firing button? name another sniper that has the role revoker has. those 2 weapons are good yes, they are top tier but they are unique. so ur telling me u want everyone to use different weapons but all those different weapons ppl grind for the same role. how is that a better game? unless u work gor bungie and want to artificially increase ppls grind and play time.
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There are new weapons too ya know.
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still havent answered which gnawing hunger? since youre not answering either you cant tell the difference since they are identical other than stamp in the corner or you wont admit u are wrong on sunsetting. u keep going back to mountaintop. so u want sunset/recycle pointless grind so mountaintop will go away. youre arguements have no valid points. yes theres new weapons but not as good.
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I'll take the one with the extra perk.
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same amount of perks. same rolls other than last season curated has overflow but thats for pve
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Doesn't the recombobulator or whatever it's called enable a fourth perk at some point. I'm farting around this season and I'm behind the curve. And I guess you kind of break your own argument if overflows been added - pve or not.
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Destiny2DB doesn’t tell me which gnawing
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so u cant tell the difference. that's sunsetting you want huh?
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I've never seen a convincing pro argument for sun setting. Everyone seems to agree its because of guns like MT, recluse etc. But opinions differ on the for and against. I am not and will never be for sunsetting. If Bungie doesn't like us holding on to pinnacles then they shouldn't have created them. To see the same weapons come out with a higher power cap is beyond stupid and a little insulting to our intelligence. As long as this company is for sunsetting I am against paying for this game. These are my opinions only and I'm not speaking for anyone else.
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I understand the need for sunsetting, but i still don't like it. Ultimately when we are still using years old weapons and largely ignoring most of the new ones, there is a problem from a game design standpoint. On one hand you can't keep introducing more and more powerful options that players will [i]want[/i] to grind out and use, but when we have our recluses and mountaintops there is little incentive for people to grind for new rewards when they'd rather use their old weapons instead. This is the downside of carrying over gear from one expansion to another in contrast to most other games where old gear becomes obsolete by default. Doesn't limit itself just to recluse and mountaintop, although pinnacle weapons are perhaps the best example of existing weapons that outclass almost all other options. [i]My[/i] go to pulse is the blast furnace. SMG antiope. AR halfdan or ringing nail. HC duke or spare rations. GL wendigo. etc etc. The point is i don't really care about new weapons when i already have my preferred ones which in turn means there is little incentive for me to actually play the game and grind for anything new. I don't like not being able to use for example my blast furnace anymore, especially when there is no direct replacement for it available, but i reluctantly agree that the situation is a bit of a problem. Would have liked to see some other solution to the problem than sunsetting, but it is still a solution.
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Edited by ramblin billy: 7/17/2020 6:09:02 PMI agree it's not a solution I would have chosen, but then again I can't really think of a better one. We won't really know how well it's working until a year from now when the replacement weapons - new or reissued - define the weapon ecology. If we have a variety of weapons with cool situational perks that inspire creative solutions to encounters to choose from, then sunsetting was a success. But managing the perk pools will be just as important as managing the weapons. I can see the value of reissuing weapons that are good but not great to give us something to use while they gradually introduce new weapons. I think people are placing too much emphasis on this season as a predictor of what's to come. Bungie has said eliminating weapons that are the best choice in every situation will free up potential in the weapon ecology to make new creative weapons that represent the best choice in [i]certain[/i] situations. If they can pull this off they'll be vindicated and look like geniuses. If not... I guess there's always year 5.
