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Edited by Babajeeds:
9/16/2019 1:14:43 PM
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1 word: Blink. Warlocks by far have the most diversity in terms of abilities, as well as mobility.
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I main blink have since the beta of D1. The problem is the supers are all bad on Voidwalker. With the incoming health nerf to 49% and MW armor nerf it’s going to be even worse for Nova Warp. Both Nova bombs are bad compared to Blade Barrage. Meanwhile Striker is nerfed down to 54% health in super like wtf?!!
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Edited by Babajeeds: 9/16/2019 11:31:35 PMLet me dispell the myth that Nova warp is a bad super. (Honestly slowva bomb isnt bad in pvp) You have to be mobile. [i]It's a super that explodes in a pretty generous Aoe when charged and heals each time it gets a kill![/i] Don't forget that there's more to a subclass besided the super. You want to know why you don't see many Nova warps anymore? Because the super actually takes finesse to use now. Most people want to use the easiest supers like Striker, storm and Spectral. Trust me, it's good. And its incredibly rewarding to master.
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I main Nova Warp in pvp and can get 3-5 kills with it. The problem is when you are team shot you go down faster then any other super but Golden Gun. We are not talking about Nova Warp being bad we are talking about other supers being over powered . Striker has an arguably better movement with shoulder charge that kills, heals, and extends the super. Thy also do t need to charge the super to do the heavy attack and have a bigger over shield. While Nova Warp isn’t bad it’s a joke compared to Striker and that’s the problem.
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Novawarp is good if you dont run into any other supers while you're using it.
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The trick is to stay up in the air so you can hit them twice. Still a pain in the ass buts it’s doable
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Edited by Babajeeds: 9/17/2019 12:04:42 AM[quote] The problem is when you are team shot you go down faster then any other super but Golden Gun. [/quote] I hear you, man. And teamshooting will only get worse with the next update. The solution is outplaying the teamshots. I feel like Ive said this too many times today, but you have to play patiently. Its not like Striker where you can be charge in, be 1 shot and get a kill, get all your health back, and proceed to chain more kills. We get 2 blinks and a 1shot grenade. Maybe its because I use Astrocyte? I don't run into to many problems with teamshots when I use warp.
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Edited by WormChi: 9/17/2019 12:17:18 AMI also use Astrocyte and you’re right most times I can blink up and behind the team and get out play them but there are other times when you out play the other team and it doesn’t matter. I just think the armor should be on par with striker if not more. We don’t have a movement ability that kills players and extends the duration all while healing you.
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Diversity doesn't equate to viability in PVP.
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Edited by Babajeeds: 9/16/2019 11:32:29 PMI agree. But diversity means you can be incredibly unpredictable. If you learn and master blink on Voidwalker, most people wont know what to do. Only skilled/vet players will. Or maybe you use the icarus dash Top tree dawnblade isn't the most feared subclass, but people like TV are great with it. Then you got arc soul, ball lightning which is basically a second grenade. Etc, etc.
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I agree that blink is good, however a nerf to nova warp health is gonna kill that super.
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The super already sucks. The mini blast does nothing unless you are shoulder to shoulder with the enemy and the big blast takes charge time where the enemy gets away.
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Edited by Babajeeds: 9/16/2019 9:14:44 PMI said this earlier, Nova warp, like most warlock subclasses, take discipline to use. You cant rush in and wipe a team like before (To be fair, no super make it that easy) You have to outmanuver your opponent, blink above or behind them, then use the blast or your grenade.
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Edited by Babajeeds: 9/16/2019 3:51:41 PMnah man remember Nova warp is a super with a very big Aoe blast that regens a bit of health on kills. Itll be fine, you just have to be smart, which is how all supers should be
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Edited by Interpol89: 9/16/2019 5:30:48 PMIt's not that big. Also, you have to charge the full explosion or else you basically do zero damage.
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Blink is the ONLY thing when it comes to movement. Here is your diversity in abilites: Fat slow nova bomb that you can dodge Suck as* vortex bomb that has the range of a shotgun Top tree dawnblade that leaves you hanging in the air like a sitting duck Bottome tree storm caller that nobody uses Nova Warp that still needs a little buff. I get shotguned out of it . Slowest melee in the game. You lose most of your melee fights Slowest movement in the game, blink is the only exception and it takes an exotic to be good. To make up for tthe crap Locks have two very good nades however they come with conditions. Handheld: you have to be in shotgun range to use it and the charge rate is like a fusion. .Beware. Arcweb: you have to have guardians standing in a group for it to be effective. In QP that happes. In comp not so much
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These are bang on yup.
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Nova bombs that hit you around corners through walls Spamming dawnblades the track harder then the truth Teleporting nova warp hard asf to hit Long range melee with abilities that proc One hit grenades Broken arc web needs buff only chains 15m per guardian Not the mobility class but we want to be the fastest or on par with the Mobilty class even though we are the ability class 👍
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NB doesn't go through walls. You can out run them....I have done that as a Warlock and we and the slowest in the game. Bottom tree dawnblade tracks like Jotunn…..not truth and I said top tree sucks. NW duration is short, nothing like the other roaming supers and a shotgun can kill it. If it wasn't elusive it would really suck. And for the last time......Warlock melee range is a myth. All classes have the same range. Look up the stats. It takes an exotic to increase melee range.
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Nb not hitting through walls is your opinion your experience not mine doesn’t auto dismiss what I’ve had happen lol and I never mentioned a tree once again the tracking is your opinion not to mention the proximity of the blades and novas Range is not a myth look up the test Never mention the ability part or mobility so I presume I’m right on that one
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[quote]1 word: Blink. Warlocks by far have the most diversity in terms of abilities, as well as mobility.[/quote] Diversity means nothing when the quality of the abilities don't compare to the other classes
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Warlocks are the learning curve class. All classes can perform well with the right player. Its why warlocks are the least played. You actually have to think about what you do, people dont want to think that hard, theyd prefer to 1shot everyone like a skullfort titan or jump and shotgun with a hunter.
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[quote]Warlocks are the learning curve class. All classes can perform well with the right player. Its why warlocks are the least played. You actually have to think about what you do, people dont want to think that hard, theyd prefer to 1shot everyone like a skullfort titan or jump and shotgun with a hunter.[/quote] Warlocks are the least played because they're all risk and little reward, they have the worst neutral in the game ontop of the worst jump and the slowest melee, theres nothing you can do on a warlock that a titan or hunter cant do better, there is no incentive to choose a warlock over the other classes other than personal preference which is why I main warlock All classes have their fair share of problems but the extent to which warlock issues affect their performance in pvp is far wider than the other two
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Thank you for your eloquence.
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Edited by Babajeeds: 9/16/2019 5:14:07 PM[quote][quote]Warlocks are the least played because they're all risk and little reward, they have the worst neutral in the game ontop of the worst jump and the slowest melee, theres nothing you can do on a warlock that a titan or hunter cant do better,[/quote] I couldnt keep reading after I read this. Least reward? YOU CAN WIPE A TEAM WITH ONE GRENADE. You can kill multiple people in close range with supernova. Warlocks undeniably have the best grenades, and the best Pve supers. Learn your class. I dont even main Warlock and Nova warp is my favorite in pvp.
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I main Nova Warp (its my favourite class) and the super is not good against teams of high skill players (you might do OK if you can catch a team off balance but you cant just ruin someones day like a spectral, striker, hammers, blade barrage, dawnblade or stormcaller). Good hunters will run from you even with Astrocyte & 10 mobility and you can be shut down with any other super except devour nova bomb. It will however destroy anyone who doesn't use their super well. Bottom tree dawnblade or stormcaller are your only real options for consistent performance in the roaming super meta sandbox which then limits you to NO BLINK. The neutral game problem remains that the melee ability is slow (and tracks badly) compared to hunter and titan. After a gunfight the ability to survive the clean up is lower than titan or hunter (OEM and dodge). Now blink on a dawnblade or stormcaller that would be something.
