[quote]I have seen at 30 people who are under 650 some even under 600 with outbreak prime who could have not even come close to completing this legitmately even with help.[/quote] If you looked at my warlock at any given day you would have seen a 594 with the Outbreak...because after doing it with my Hunter I passed it over to my other character. [quote]At 1st i thought maybe he was on an alt character so I inspected said him and he was in fact sub 600 and the equipped Outbreak perfected was 602 AND fully masterworked.[/quote] Just for kicks I got myself a 344 Outbreak when my titan - who I have not used since year 1 - pulled one out of the collections (he is under 370). Because, you know, that is actually possible. Honestly, the timer is annoying, but once you understand the path to the boss room it is not difficult to get there, timer or none. And to be completely fair, I did watch a youtube video on how to run the maze, so should we ban those as well? Is my Outbreak no longer "earned" because I do not have the same number of hours as twitch streamers and content creators who can spend literal days on something during a period when I get, maybe, an hour or two?