Humankind in destiny is reading way too much into the travellers intentions. Yes it gives us the golden age. Yes, whether rasputin triggers this or not, the traveler gives us ghosts and therefor guardians. But ultimately the traveler is just trying to flee the darkness. [spoiler] You have lived as invisibly as possible, flicking from solar system to solar system, making grand plans, overseeing the culturing of civilizations, before leaving in a blink. But you have no recollection of ever wanting worship or even thanks from those blessed by you. Ghost fragment:the traveler[/spoiler] The traveler has given many many other races a golden age. Even the fallen. It did this as a means to try and defend against the invading darkness which is mainly spearheaded by the hive. When the darkness defeats the travelers newest civilization, or comes close to doing so, it has a habit of moving on and trying a new one. Now, theres a few posibilities here 1) Rasputin came to the conclusion that the traveler would leave and crippled it to prevent this. The ghosts are a failsafe under this posibility. 2) the traveler was going to leave, but the darkness cripples it. Again, the ghosts are a failsafe. 3) the traveler intended to stay, but is still crippled(whether by the darkness or rasputin does not matter here). In this possibility, the ghosts are an intentional creation. But at the end of the day, humanity wasn't chosen for some grand task any more than the fallen were. No, the traveler happened to stumble here, gave us the gift of light, and hoped for the best in the incoming fight against the darkness.

[quote]Humankind in destiny is reading way too much into the travellers intentions. Yes it gives us the golden age. Yes, whether rasputin triggers this or not, the traveler gives us ghosts and therefor guardians. But ultimately the traveler is just trying to flee the darkness. [spoiler] You have lived as invisibly as possible, flicking from solar system to solar system, making grand plans, overseeing the culturing of civilizations, before leaving in a blink. But you have no recollection of ever wanting worship or even thanks from those blessed by you. Ghost fragment:the traveler[/spoiler] The traveler has given many many other races a golden age. Even the fallen. It did this as a means to try and defend against the invading darkness which is mainly spearheaded by the hive. When the darkness defeats the travelers newest civilization, or comes close to doing so, it has a habit of moving on and trying a new one. Now, theres a few posibilities here 1) Rasputin came to the conclusion that the traveler would leave and crippled it to prevent this. The ghosts are a failsafe under this posibility. 2) the traveler was going to leave, but the darkness cripples it. Again, the ghosts are a failsafe. 3) the traveler intended to stay, but is still crippled(whether by the darkness or rasputin does not matter here). In this possibility, the ghosts are an intentional creation. But at the end of the day, humanity wasn't chosen for some grand task any more than the fallen were. No, the traveler happened to stumble here, gave us the gift of light, and hoped for the best in the incoming fight against the darkness.[/quote] I believe that the traveler decided to make a stand on earth, why it chose us who knows. Possibly because we had the best chance of success.

kind of makes sense, the traveler left the fallen who i think are mentioned in the book of sorrows but i could be wrong, but if it was trying to leave us like it left the fallen then we would be in pretty much the same boat as them, but by in essence killing it, it needed us to protect it and find a way to heal it, hence the ghosts and guardians.

[quote]kind of makes sense, the traveler left the fallen who i think are mentioned in the book of sorrows but i could be wrong, but if it was trying to leave us like it left the fallen then we would be in pretty much the same boat as them, but by in essence killing it, it needed us to protect it and find a way to heal it, hence the ghosts and guardians.[/quote]i guess im just hesitant to believe that it tried to leave, kinda dispels the whole "the traveler chose us for a reason and we must live up to it" narrative that the game has been pushing.

Everything isn't always as it seems. I have a distrust of the speaker, the way he is referred to in the grimoire leads me to believe he is more of a religious figurehead than anything and I for one am not w big fan of those. It clicks for me tho, we are literally dead being brought back to life and we wield the "light", which is a crazy super power like thing to kill the invading "darkness". That just does not scream good guy. And currently I have only heard of one guardian to wield the light and not have been brought back from the dead and that is shin malphur. And the reason is to save him from being devoured by the darkness.

Traveler chose the fallen at one point

[quote]Traveler chose the fallen at one point[/quote]by chose us I meant how it keeps popping up in the story that the traveler decided to stay and sacrifice itself for us and we must live up to and honor its sacrifice.

We don't know the travelers intentions it's assumed and told to you that he is good, that he sacrificed himself but it could all be a ploy, we simply do not have enough information regarding him and so far with this game it is a sort of blind trust mentality towards the speaker and the traveler.

Im a follower of the "traveller is a parasite theory." I think that the Traveller helps us only so that we would heal it. Very little sacrifice

[quote]Im a follower of the "traveller is a parasite theory." I think that the Traveller helps us only so that we would heal it. Very little sacrifice[/quote]im very much in opposition to the theory that the traveler(the thing that brought our golden age) is evil and the darkness(the thing that -blam!-ed our shit up and has been trying to kill is every day) is actually good.

It wasn't intentional. Rasputian activated a set defense protocals it order to stop the darkness from getting closer to Earth. One of them was setting off an explosion that was like a a huge nuke in space. It slowed down the darkness, and as a side effect, it damaged the traveler and created the awoken, which were humans that were going through the reef to escape.

[quote]It wasn't intentional. Rasputian activated a set defense protocals it order to stop the darkness from getting closer to Earth. One of them was setting off an explosion that was like a a huge nuke in space. It slowed down the darkness, and as a side effect, it damaged the traveler and created the awoken, which were humans that were going through the reef to escape.[/quote] No its quite clear that Rasputin didn't want the traveler to leave because he decided that it was needed for humanity to survive and [b]if[/b] Rasputin took action to prevent it from leaving then it would have been deliberate.

From what i have read in the grimoire, rasputian set off defense protocals and sent a nuke into space that damaged the traveler, not with the intent to do that, but to slow down the darkness.

[quote]From what i have read in the grimoire, rasputian set off defense protocals and sent a nuke into space that damaged the traveler, not with the intent to do that, but to slow down the darkness.[/quote]theres no doubt that rasputin didn't want traveler to leave and he most likely would have taken action if it did try to leave, the only question is did the traveler try to leave?

can all you do is copy and paste what i said? read the grimoire then ask that question again.

[quote]can all you do is copy and paste what i said? read the grimoire then ask that question again.[/quote]if you keep saying the same thing you'll keep getting the same response.